Champion of Truth, Lover of Law, Warrior of Justice, Christian, Citizen of Earth. A man who's left hand was injured, but saw it reforged with titanium steel.
@WatcherDev Well. I tried PVP Watcher.. But it feel like Blizzard gave certain classes massive advantages. MW Monk has no Interrupt as we lost Spearhand. Yet Resto Druid has many stuns including Cat Form. Cycl. Typh. Solar. Very disheartening. Feels like a stacked deck honestly.
@Skoll_Shorties@ChrisMetzen
All I'll say is this. If we get a toast box of Sargeras saying..
"CHAMPION! THE VOID IS ENCROACHING! STOP IT!"
I can see this..
Orc: "Okie dokey.. wait what this.. I don't.."
-Orc player's head plays this sound-
https://t.co/RBe1KcfDkn
Whatcha think Chris? ;)
@Sluaghlock@TheRedShirtGuy No no, I am using it as correlation.
To say Haranir were OG and then somehow took a massive genetic step to Trolls then Elves requires some sort of 'event'.
Morgoth corrupted Elves into Orcs in LOTR. Lack of a Morgoth figure in WoW means Haranir to Troll makes zero sense is.
@that_kind_oforc I would really like to know if this is still canon, or if it should be ignored. Feel bad for the people who splurged on the CE if it is ignored though for the sake of Haranir being pushed into a position of unrealistic importance.
@that_kind_oforc What do I mean? Something that wipes 90% of the race out. Elder's claim is proven false, as the black blood mutates most Haranir into monsters.
(Aside from playable chars / key NPCs)
The Haranir's issue atm is they don't 'need' anyone.
That's the flaw of a ancient perfect race.
@that_kind_oforc That's really the problem Blizzard has created by essentially overwriting the OG races Lore, and I hope they will address it. My personal thought is that they should do a "Falmer" / Scourge level event to the race. Something with the Black Blood and Xal'atath.
@TheRedShirtGuy That's definitely a big part of it. There's also the fact that they really 'do' look like Elves not Trolls. Which would imply either a Morgoth figure 'tortured' Haranir into Trolls (LoTR), or that they are wrong.
Also the idea that Haranir didn't change / evolve at all..
Yeah.
@TheRedShirtGuy Thats why I recommended to Keith (and he liked) that one solution might be to greenlight a few quests that find evidence directly countering Hagar.
As a secondary measure, I'd give "Ancient Haranir" a name / look distinct from Haranir. It'd closes the issue and lock it all down.
@TheRedShirtGuy From a PR standpoint, I don't think that'd be wise.
A lot of people believe this was done because someone sought to shoehorn Haranir into supreme importance at the expense of the OG races lore. Such a change would just undermine everything Keith said, and pour gas on the fire.
@Portergauge It's a good effort Porter. The ultimate problem is that they haven't made modern Haranir visually distinct from "ancient" Haranir.
They need a different name / different appearance. Otherwise nothing changes and the lore is still effectively retconned. We need something more.
I did my best to compile *every* single mention of elf-troll relations I could find, while also being as gracious to the idea of 'Haranir perspective' as possible.
Hopefully this works as a good reference for what was established prior vs in Midnight.
https://t.co/uOQCKwaM9V
@TheRedShirtGuy Yeah the ultimate problem here is how they haven't made visually distinct modern Haranir from the "ancient" Haranir. They need to be given a different name, and a very different appearance IMHO.
Otherwise nothing has changed and the lore is still in a state of effective retcon.
The danger with making a game.. is that sometimes you'll be drawn to flesh out a prequel to ensure you know exactly what happened in the past before you finish!
Since the main project is 16 bit, and Final Fantasy 1 released 30 years ago today.. decided to be retro about it.
@Caleina_Lore Given there was a datamined Void N'zoth, and how the blade was used on him.. I wonder if a part of him isn't in the blade. Will be interesting to see what happens.
@memeslich Final Fantasy X, and I started with FF1.
The idea that you go on a journey to save the world, and the price at the end is one's very life was powerful. Lufia 2 elicited a similar response, though I knew from Lufia 1 how it ended already.
@memeslich A good DM remembers the following.
"It is a secret to everybody." -LoZ
No matter how badly one falls into a hole from a literary standpoint, there is always a way to get out if one pauses and thinks creatively.
Toss me ANY conundrum.
Preference is Warcraft, but try me.