We have gigantic creatures in the sea which can sing for hours and have arteries so big you can crawl through them. (whales)
We have birds that fly 50,000 miles every year. From the antarctic to the arctic and back again. (arctic tern)
We have living creatures which never get old and never die naturally. (jellyfish)
We have animals which you can force through a sieve, and they can reassemble themselves. (sponges)
We have an ancient line of animals which once had 30 or more successful species, and has gone extinct down to just one single representative, and that representative has conquered the entire world (us).
We have horrors that look just like rocks and if you step on them your whole world becomes agonizing pain. (toadfish)
We have animals who hide inside other animals, and when you eat that animal, they enter your intestines and live there. (tapeworms)
We have plants which live on other plants and never touch the ground.
There's a fruit tree that grows around another tree, and eventually kills and replaces it. (strangler fig)
We have gliding lizards, marsupials, snakes, frogs, and rodents.
What the heck do you need fairies for?
@Mufaddal936736@Evollaqi@TheMuslimTheist Ancient Greek ideas were based on revelation? What makes Greek science more compatible with the Islamic worldview, apart from the fact that there were practising Muslim scientists who made the effort to adjudicate between the two disciplines and there are not any now?
@Mufaddal936736@Evollaqi@TheMuslimTheist If you like qualitative science, there is a world of that today: interviews, ethnographies, auto-ethnographies, Critical methodologies (feminist, postcolonial, critical race studies), discourse analysis. Not the best science but you are arguing for a qualitative framework.
@Mufaddal936736@Evollaqi@TheMuslimTheist I don't understand why we should return to a pre-modern science invented by the West (so not really indigenous to Muslims) because it is metaphysically robust. Does Nasr like pre-modern science because he's partial to Platonism/Neoplatonism and thus it is more enchanted?
@TheMuslimTheist@Mufaddal936736@Evollaqi In biology significance is usually p < .05, whereas particle physics requires a 5σ significance to claim a discovery...
My mom goes to elderly university for free in China. It is probably the best thing they have done for elderly. She likes it so much. You can take any subject you like, no exam, no certificate, just learning for fun. She’s now learning gardening, music, philosophy, and some geopolitics. There are farmers travelling all the way to the school everyday to learn. This is 1000x better than stupid elderly home which basically kill elderly quickly rather than care.
@TheMuslimTheist@Mufaddal936736@Evollaqi I guess it’s similar in other areas of study: imagine working in epidemiology and rejecting germ theory or in medical sciences and rejecting antibiotics.
@Mufaddal936736@Evollaqi@TheMuslimTheist For example, I know many people are critical of my area of science but in the conferences I attend, I’m normally the only Muslim there. It could be that we don’t typically come from backgrounds that allow us the luxury of studying subjects that don’t result in a reliable income.
@Mufaddal936736@Evollaqi@TheMuslimTheist Which Muslim scientists are practicing indigenous Islamic science? I’d love to learn how they’re doing it and what exactly encompasses these sciences.
Separately, I think that for those who participate in and critique modern science, they don’t contribute to an alternative.
@normalypeaceful @abdul_now If your question is does Syria, the country that houses the oldest church in the world, celebrate Christmas then the answer is yes.