@Orest_Baback@zhorik13ua@MarcinTorz Either you're stupid or pretending, there was no independent state Ukraine that time, so they were not like Finland. You're denying everything even if it's historical fact. I'm not reading ipn sources, but international historians. You should stop reading Ukr propaganda.
@Orest_Baback@zhorik13ua@MarcinTorz By pledging loyalty to Hitler, Ukrainians hoped the Germans would allow them to establish an independent Ukrainian state, but Germany refused. That’s why some of them later fought against the Germans. There was no independent state Ukraine that time. Learn history, then speak.
@Orest_Baback@zhorik13ua@MarcinTorz Ukraine 1941 wasn't even a state. OUN 30.06.41 pledged loyalty to Hitler, Finland didn't. Zaolzie 1938 = PL majority, after Munich, not alliance. Volhynia WAS planned, liquidation order June 43, 150 villages 11.07.43. AK crimes are documented in Poland, not denied.
@zhorik13ua@Orest_Baback@MarcinTorz That's Krzeptowski, Goralenvolk traitor hanged by Polish Home Army in 1945. 500k Poles in Wehrmacht is a myth. ∼200k from annexed Silesia/Pomerania were forced to Volksliste under death threat to families. 90k deserted to fight Nazis in Anders Army. U have more facts to refute?
@Orest_Baback@zhorik13ua@MarcinTorz Quote "The newly reborn Ukrainian State will work closely with the National-Socialist Greater Germany, under the leadership of its Leader Adolf Hitler, which is forming a new order in Europe and the world..."
Act of Restoration of the Ukrainian State (June 30, 1941)
@zhorik13ua@MarcinTorz Czarniecki fought invaders and rebellious Cossacks who had been slaughtering Poles and Jews. The anthem is about defending the country, not celebrating massacres. Talking abt double standards, start with your own heroes who still have streets and monuments.
@yarovitych@MarcinTorz Finland fought the USSR after the 1939 Soviet invasion. Cooperation with Germany was like “enemy of my enemy” and nobody deny it. Air Force hakaristi is a 1918 symbol (not Nazi) and has already been phased out. Not to mention that symbol is in few Asian religions as well. 🙃
@Orest_Baback@zhorik13ua@MarcinTorz The UPA wasn't anti-Nazi movement, at first they wanted collaborate with them and their clashes with the Germans don't absolve it of responsibility for the crimes against Poles n others. The Wehrmacht and SS also fought against the Soviets, yet nobody in Germany glorifies them.
@SviySeredSvoih@MarcinTorz Only a few rogue AK soldiers committed war crimes, and Poland's IPN officially condemned them. Meanwhile, your country builds state-level cults for actual Waffen-SS divisions and mass murderers. Keep your revisionism to yourself. Ukrainians are weird nation, we're fed up with u.
@yarovitych@MarcinTorz What a brain-dead excuse. He had Polish citizenship ONLY because those lands were a legally recognized part of Poland. He was ethnically Ukrainian and a terrorist. Poland didn't ask for him, but modern Ukraine willingly builds monuments to him today. Deal with it.
@zhorik13ua@MarcinTorz About Czarniecki, comparing 17th century warfare to 20th century UPA genocides is absurd. In the 1600s, brutal tactics were used by ALL sides. You cannot excuse modern ethnic cleansing and its official 21st-century state cult by pointing to events from 400 years ago.
@zhorik13ua@MarcinTorz Mixing Piłsudski, who committed no massacres, with actual ethnic cleansings is absurd. Even when individual soldiers from AK or post-war groups committed crimes, they were officially investigated and labeled as war crimes by Poland's IPN, not glorified by the state.
@zhorik13ua@MarcinTorz You are sharing a cheap, manipulated video. It is clearly played in reverse to make normal stadium movement look like a salute.Trying to use edited footage to deflect attention from the official, state-level glorification of UPA and Bandera in Ukraine is pathetic.
@B30_603 Exactly. They don't care Europeans cities burn, countries don't have never-ending money to fund them and they want more and more, and they're not even in EU. Last time Zelensky said after war finished, they want to keep strong army and need "funding from partners" for 10 years
@Teutonchud444 A German man worrying about Poland shrinking to 20 million while Germany has had more deaths than births every year since 1972 and relies on immigration to offset its natural population decline. And EU funds aren't German charity. The audacity.