Rich

Furniture maker, family man, left leaning liberal, generally nice bloke and King of the Lizard People. #FBPE #GTTO

[Rich @ManAlive85]

@PhilipsTruthTM @PeterMcCormack @realninawysocka She was given the opportunity! And then she took a shit with her clothes on and was ousted by popular demand 49 days later.

49 days, coincidentally, is the average amount of time a middle aged woman takes to complete a full skin renewal cycle.

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@JesusSavesUs777 @AgainstAtheismX Andy Whelan took a photo of his 4 year old daughter every day in the final agonising weeks of her battle with a terminal neuroblastoma. Confirming that the all knowing, all powerful and all loving god of Christian scripture is a BS fairy story.

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@SkyNews @robpowellnews I live in Jenrick’s constituency, I want a by-election.

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@SphereChaser @the_hkbts777 @elliott______ @sebshearer @BritainisCool @reformparty_uk @IsabelOakeshott @ZiaYusufUK @drdavidbull @Iromg The Tories had a parliamentary majority of just 46 seats in May 2024 and the only reason they didn’t finish a full term was because they thought they’d lose fewer seats in a spring election than waiting until December.

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@MarkCha75305548 @_Science_FTW_ @SoCalBobbyDeez @ThinkingAtheist That doesn’t support your point.

Plenty of instincts are easily overcome. We overcome your survival instincts when we go on a rollercoaster. I overcome my procreation instincts by not sleeping with my wife’s step-sister, even though she’s as hot as hell and plainly up for it.

[Rich @ManAlive85]

@MarkCha75305548 @_Science_FTW_ @SoCalBobbyDeez @ThinkingAtheist Humans don’t naturally kill each other. The overwhelming majority of humans are repelled by the idea of taking another human life. Similar to how we feel about sleeping with a rotting corpse.

The exception to that is war where a person is put into a kill or be killed situation.

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@MarkCha75305548 @_Science_FTW_ @SoCalBobbyDeez @ThinkingAtheist I thought we were discussing the nature of morality, not why countries go to war? They are two completely different conversations.

[Rich @ManAlive85]

@MarkCha75305548 @_Science_FTW_ @SoCalBobbyDeez @ThinkingAtheist No, exactly, it was morally wrong to kill that young man because it hampered reproductive success.

My point is that morality is a learned and inherited framework of values that we have developed in order to increase reproductive success, mostly through building social cohesion.

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@Un_B_Weavable @z8000783 @darwintojesus No thanks, I’m in bed with my wife.

[Rich @ManAlive85]

@Un_B_Weavable @z8000783 @darwintojesus You have failed to give an example of a moral tenet that serves a purpose other than increasing reproductive success.

You have also failed to illustrate why cultures who have no knowledge of your god follow broadly indistinguishable moral frameworks to your own.

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@Un_B_Weavable @z8000783 @darwintojesus Show me where have I made a single statement about how humans should behave?

My position (for the 4th time) is that humans evolve to behave in certain ways in order to increase reproductive success. There is no ought.

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@Un_B_Weavable @z8000783 @darwintojesus No, it isn’t. Either you haven’t understood what I have clearly and repeatedly said or you don’t understand what an is-ought fallacy is.

Either way, you’re plainly not going to concede and I’m getting pretty bored of you trying to find threads to pull in my argument.

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@Un_B_Weavable @z8000783 @darwintojesus I did, you must have failed to understand.

Morality is a PRODUCT of evolution and evolution is driven exclusively by increasing reproductive success. Evolution isn’t SUBJECT to moral judgement - life on earth will fundamentally always adapt to increase reproductive success.

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@Un_B_Weavable @z8000783 @darwintojesus I don’t make any judgements about the right or wrongs of increasing human reproductive success. It’s not a moral issue.

My point is that evolution is driven only by increasing reproductive success and morality is primarily a product of human evolution.

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@MarkCha75305548 @_Science_FTW_ @SoCalBobbyDeez @ThinkingAtheist Okay, I’ll be more specific.

Can you give me an example of anything that is considered morally ‘good’ that doesn’t further social cohesion and increase reproductive success?

Or, if you prefer, the inverse question. Your choice.

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@Un_B_Weavable @z8000783 @darwintojesus Weak!!!!

[Rich @ManAlive85]

@Un_B_Weavable @z8000783 @darwintojesus That’s because it’s only you who seems to require a “grounding” of morality. Morality it is a system of learned and inherited responses, nothing more.

You asked me for an account of morality without the need of a god. And you got one.

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@Un_B_Weavable @z8000783 @darwintojesus What you have failed to account for is why, if your moral framework is dictated by the Christian god, it is broadly indistinguishable from the moral code of a Sikh or a Buddhist or a 3rd century BC Roman.

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@Un_B_Weavable @z8000783 @darwintojesus Human reproductive success is the reason human morality exists.

Why do you keep using the term obligatory? There’s nothing obligatory about morality or human behaviour.

Human rights are a code of ethics informed by shared moral frameworks.

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@Un_B_Weavable @z8000783 @darwintojesus I don’t make any judgements about the right or wrongs of increasing human reproductive success. It’s not a moral issue.

My point is that evolution is driven only by increasing reproductive success and morality is primarily a product of human evolution.

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@Un_B_Weavable @z8000783 @darwintojesus Of course it’s relevant!! The reason you can’t answer is because human morality is ALWAYS linked to increasing reproductive success through social cohesion.

Evolution is concerned exclusively with increasing reproductive success. Morality is a product of evolution.