@TenguExorcist@retryall2 So there really was a 15-point change, but using that fact to claim that psychiatry simply ‘lowered the standard because most Black people were retarded’ is not supported by the historical evidence.”
@TenguExorcist@retryall2 borderline intellectual functioning is generally understood to include people around 1–2 standard deviations below the mean, and most people in that range do not meet the criteria for intellectual disability without significant adaptive deficits.
@TenguExorcist@retryall2 ‘Most Black people were in that category’ is a completely different claim that requires evidence. The fact that a classification disproportionately affected a minority population does not establish that most members of that population actually had an intellectual disability.
@TenguExorcist@retryall2 The documented rationale was concern about over-identification of minority students and the inadequacy of using IQ alone, alongside greater emphasis on adaptive functioning. So what’s your argument against this?
@overturnthat@retryall2 What’s a recent medical source that says it is? Cite it here. Black people used to be considered genetically inferior. Do you believe that old science too?
@JInfo877@retryall2 Modern medical and psychiatric classifications don’t classify homosexuality itself as a disorder. So if we’re discussing science, the relevant question is what the evidence shows, not whether you consider the behavior sinful. Plus you’d have to prove the concept of sin is real.
@JInfo877@retryall2 That’s a religious judgment, not a medical argument. You’re free to believe homosexuality is sinful within your religious framework, but calling it a medical disorder requires empirical evidence.
@EmTeaVe@qtrlifekrisis@unevan2@Matthew6k9@retryall2 And evolutionary success isn’t necessarily about every individual reproducing. Kim selection and cooperative social behavior can contribute to the survival of relatives and their offspring. So ‘doesn’t personally reproduce’ ≠ ‘has a disorder.’
@EmTeaVe@qtrlifekrisis@unevan2@Matthew6k9@retryall2 Likewise, homosexuality isn’t classified as a mental disorder simply because a same-sex couple cannot reproduce together through intercourse. Your argument assumes that reproduction is a prerequisite for being medically normal, but the medical science doesn’t say that.
@EmTeaVe@qtrlifekrisis@unevan2@Matthew6k9@retryall2 You’re mixing up biological variation with psychiatric disorder. Infertility can be a medical condition affecting reproduction, but that doesn’t make the person ‘broken,’ and choosing not to reproduce obviously isn’t a disorder at all.
@EmTeaVe@unevan2@Matthew6k9@retryall2 You’re assuming that anything not directly contributing to reproduction is therefore pathological, and that conclusion doesn’t follow.
@EmTeaVe@unevan2@Matthew6k9@retryall2 But even if a same-sex couple cannot conceive together through intercourse, that doesn’t make homosexuality a disorder. Human reproduction is a biological process; sexual orientation is an aspect of attraction.
@EmTeaVe@unevan2@Matthew6k9@retryall2 Individual gay people can reproduce, just like individual heterosexual people can. Sexual orientation describes who someone is attracted to; it doesn’t determine whether they’re biologically capable of reproduction.
@EmTeaVe@goldnblueboytoy@retryall2 So your argument doesn’t demonstrate that homosexuality is a disorder; it starts with a particular definition of the purpose of sex and then treats deviation from that purpose as pathology. Those are two different claims you’d have to separately prove.
@EmTeaVe@goldnblueboytoy@retryall2 As for sex: saying reproduction is a biological function of sex is reasonable; saying it’s therefore the primary purpose of every individual sexual act is a philosophical claim, not a medical diagnosis. People have sex for reproduction, intimacy, bonding, and pleasure.
@EmTeaVe@goldnblueboytoy@retryall2 And lisps, mannerisms, or gender-nonconforming behavior aren’t diagnostic criteria for a psychiatric disorder. Neither is being unable to reproduce with your sexual partner. The WHO’s ICD explicitly says that sexual orientation by itself is not to be regarded as a disorder.
@EmTeaVe@goldnblueboytoy@retryall2 The APA specifically notes that differences in mental health outcomes are strongly connected to stigma, discrimination, and other social stressors.
@EmTeaVe@goldnblueboytoy@retryall2 Mental-health problems can occur among gay people, just as they can among straight people, but that doesn’t establish that homosexuality causes them.
@EmTeaVe@goldnblueboytoy@retryall2 You’re conflating things that can be associated with a population with the definition of a disorder. The APA explicitly states that homosexuality itself is not a mental illness and that research has found no inherent association between sexual orientation and psychopathology.
@EmTeaVe@15Catboy@retryall2 And reproduction isn’t the only function of human sexuality. People also have sex for intimacy, bonding, and pleasure. If non-reproductive sex made an orientation a disorder, you’d have to apply that logic to infertile couples and couples who choose not to have children too.