There's a frightening number of people in this world who really seem to believe "We could have avoided Nazism, if only I'd been around to wittily point out the logical fallacies in Hitler's arguments."
@ianberriman Haaa, Streeting's self-delusion is incredible. It reminds me of Heidi Alexander saying she called Jeremy Corbyn at 7am tje morning after Hillary Benn was sacked, and being really annoyed he didn't call her back within an hour
@AllyFogg (I'm from Allihies originally, but only cos my Mum went on holidays and decided she never wanted to leave Béara. So, y'know, my bias is also indicative)
@AllyFogg Allihies in the Béara peninsula. Dursey Island is nearby and a great trip - if you're up for hikes, Allihies to Dursey is incredible. Great trad sessions too.
I'm biased, but the only place I've been in Ireland to give Béara a run for its money for beauty is Connemara IMO
@footalyse Except the guy didn't "suggest" this, that's entirely your inference (and a silly one), and Neville made a reasonable point about how creating a siege mentality can have unintended consequences. Neither of these examples are deliberate falsehoods and it's daft to claim otherwise.
@mcmnorris The last thing I read by this crowd was a claim that the cost uplift caused by the 2019 upgrade to Part L had stopped many thousands of homes.
Interesting as, for most dwellings, TGD L 2019 didn't cause any uplift at all.
These guys don't know what they're talking about
@footalyse I don't think he's making a separate point, no, as the two things aren't separate. But you said Arteta "was accused by Gary Neville of inciting death threats towards Michael Oliver" which is untrue.
Nor does this amount to Neville "lying," which is where you started.
@PD1_8_8_2@al_caholic666@EwanMacKenna@_SoccerThoughts Both things can be true at once, but given that "it's a plan by FIFA" makes absolutely no sense (it can't end any way other than with unsold rooms, and why do FIFA care what hoteliers make?) and is completely unsubstantiated, the original post absolutely reeks of bullshit
@AllyFogg I do have a vague sense of people being louder and less considerate than when I were a lad and it were all fields around here, but I think of it being primarily middle aged people at faulylt. Young people are same as it ever was
@footalyse Ok, so you're now admitting these things you've inferred. Bit of a downgrade on Arsenal being "lied about," which is where we started out.
And that still isn't what Neville said.
@footalyse "Fan discourse" = randos on social media talking shit. Every club has it. Liverpool had the same VAR chat last year.
Wrt fouling at corners, nobody serious thinks Arsenal are the only team to do it. They think Arsenal do it systemically. Which they do.
@footalyse The ESPN presenter didn't say Arteta "deserves" to be punched in the face, & apologised. Neville didn't say Arteta incited Oliver's death threats, his comments were much more general and he stressed that Arsenal did nothing ManU didn't do. Both your firm examples are exaggerated.
@footalyse Oh I see, so people think Arsenal are boring and niggly = The Most Lied About Team In Football. Gotcha.
Can't just be a genuine reaction to how they play, must be a concerted attempt to discredit the club. Sounds legit
@AllyFogg (I can genuinely see a situation at the next election where reform get about 30% of the vote, the greens get 20%, and they get <200 seats between them. And FPTP surely can't survive that)
@AllyFogg Po-faced answer: if it wasn't changed then yes, in the long term, because FPTP does push everyone towards a 2-party system. But in the medium term the results will be so antidemocratic that keeping it becomes insupportable.