MessyBottleMug

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[MessyBottleMug @MessyMug]

@BinarySkeptic @xRyderxX @SixtraOfficial @XGONDALX @mohammed_hijab We are talking about our singularity. It didn't always exist. There was a point in time (although time doesn't make sense here) where it didn't exist.

[MessyBottleMug @MessyMug]

@BinarySkeptic @xRyderxX @SixtraOfficial @XGONDALX @mohammed_hijab My argument is that whether God is good or evil doesn't change the fact that there is a God. You said "evil God or no god". And about the contradiction, you claim that you're not arguing against God. Yet, you imply that the PoE rebuts God.

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@BinarySkeptic @xRyderxX @SixtraOfficial @XGONDALX @mohammed_hijab It's not confusing in our context, in this thread Ryder says that the singularity could've always existed, my reply was a rebuttal to his claim.

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@BinarySkeptic @xRyderxX @SixtraOfficial @XGONDALX @mohammed_hijab You're contradicting yourself so badly, you said "Where did i ever claim that it disproves God" but then also said "It says there's no good God, so there can be an evil one, or no God". So you're saying that due to the PoE, God is either Evil or doesn't exist. And I replied.

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@SixtraOfficial @xRyderxX @XGONDALX @mohammed_hijab You ran away from your previous point, you wanted to know how a created universe implied the existence of God, and I gave it to you, please stick to your argument and don't keep on jumping ships, it's confusing.

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@BinarySkeptic @xRyderxX @SixtraOfficial @XGONDALX @mohammed_hijab Umm, we know that the universe had a beginning... The big bang, ever heard of it? So the universe is not eternal, because there it was caused!

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@BinarySkeptic @xRyderxX @SixtraOfficial @XGONDALX @mohammed_hijab The existence of God, it rebuts the existence of a "good God". 2/2

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@BinarySkeptic @xRyderxX @SixtraOfficial @XGONDALX @mohammed_hijab You are missing a crucial element here, let me put it like this:
Case 1) There's no response and God is evil, yet, an evil God is still a God!

Case 2) There's a response and God is not evil, but he is still God nonetheless.

The problem of evil doesn't rebut... 1/2

[MessyBottleMug @MessyMug]

@SixtraOfficial @xRyderxX @XGONDALX @mohammed_hijab And the one who created the universe is God... The holy scriptures and prophets serve as a connection between us and that God who created the universe.

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@xRyderxX @SixtraOfficial @XGONDALX @mohammed_hijab You are referring to the scientific method, and my argument is deductive. You apparently do not know any epistemological knowledge and you are here arguing. I suggest you read introductory books in philosophy, epistemology, and the scientific method.

[MessyBottleMug @MessyMug]

@SixtraOfficial @xRyderxX @XGONDALX @mohammed_hijab And claiming that logic is subjective is a logical fallacy. The scientific method is founded on some logical principles! Like the principle of contradiction and what not. 2/2

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@SixtraOfficial @xRyderxX @XGONDALX @mohammed_hijab The lack of empirical evidence doesn't mean anything. Do you believe in intelligent alien life? There's no empirical evidence. But that doesn't outweigh whatever deductive evidence there is. 0 is not greater than the positive numbers. 1/2

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@xRyderxX @SixtraOfficial @XGONDALX @mohammed_hijab Arguments are too numerous for me to reference down here. A simple google search will do. Now for your second point, Atheists reject the claim and then make a claim of their own. So they have an obligation to provide proofs for their claims.

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@xRyderxX @SixtraOfficial @XGONDALX @mohammed_hijab 1a) Cosmological Kalam Argument:
- Whatever has a beginning has a cause
- The universe has a beginning
- The universe has a cause
- Since the universe has a cause, there exists an uncaused personal creator whose non-existence renders the universe beginningless, and powerful.
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[MessyBottleMug @MessyMug]

@SixtraOfficial @xRyderxX @XGONDALX @mohammed_hijab No, logical and philosophical arguments are sufficient. But here's my question to you, are you an Agnostic or an Atheist?

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@SixtraOfficial @xRyderxX @XGONDALX @mohammed_hijab I like your polite manners, but I have to disagree with you there. If one proves (not just claims) the existence (as was done numerously) of God, then he can claim objective morality. However, without an objective source of morality, yes, morality will simply be intersubjective.

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@hulkatbro @SixtraOfficial @xRyderxX @XGONDALX @mohammed_hijab Yes, it is as you can see. Or do you lack the basic cognitive ability of comprehension?