@darwintojesus@goodlifenvibes This is still a case of doing what you want - you want to do what you perceive as "the right thing to do", and you apparently want it *more* than you want your boss out of your way.
*All* human psychology boils down to us doing things we want and not doing things we don't want.
@darwintojesus This is almost the dumbest argument on the face of the planet. It dilutes the term "god" to near meaninglessness and wildly misrepresents what atheists actually believe.
@JoshG650@Fzee58398702@creation247 He also invented the term "meme" and more-or-less defined the concept.
Regardless, it's still a dumb comparison. Thousands of scientists do their work every day to improve our lives. We don't know their names. Pasteur, Newton, et al. are outliers.
@darwintojesus@Curi_Christian We get it, even though you're mostly misrepresenting us here. There's nothing arbitrary about using human wellbeing as a standard.
Also you could reverse this gif and say "when a theist is trying to tell you how moral they are according to a standard they can't demonstrate".
@SeanCurve@godsfavoriteant@AdonaiOnGaia but you seemingly happily accept them as a matter of fact.
So, no, I don’t have to have my own direct observations or measurements to understand that the mainstream scientific consensus on matters of cosmology is robust, well-evidenced, and reasonable to believe.
@SeanCurve@godsfavoriteant@AdonaiOnGaia This leads to the other problem with this approach to knowledge which is that you automatically assume a whole host of assumptions – assumptions about lies and cover-ups and conspiracies, etc. These things are claims that would require their own evidence to demonstrate,
@RightsideRa@gregguo3t@darwintojesus We need some kind of independent methodology for identifying god, testimony is not sufficient because we know that human psychology is flawed and testimony can be erroneous, mistaken, or deceptive.
Do you have an independent methodology?
@RightsideRa@gregguo3t@darwintojesus What can't be granted is that anyone *did* have a divine interaction, because divine forces (God et al.) are the very proposition that is in question. People believed they saw Elvis after his death, but their belief doesn't demonstrate the proposition that Elvis was still alive.
@RightsideRa@darwintojesus Lots of us hold the atheist position because we want to be epistemically justified. "The merits of Christianity" aren't necessarily relevant to that. What's relevant is what kind of evidence and arguments can support the proposition, and for Christianity those things are lacking.