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@The_Houseman_ @Wurmserscribit 🙄

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@The_Houseman_ @Wurmserscribit “We know they consider it unjust,and will fight to destroy anything we have”

U don’t know that the fact that they consider it unjust means that they will “fight to destroy everything you have”. The 2nd doesn’t follow from the 1st. That’s the point I’ve been trying to make here.

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@Wurmserscribit …sovereignty), but all Israeli proposals demanded IDF “warning”stations in Palestinian state & caveats that IDF would be allowed to enter that state and “operate” without this being considered a violation of the state’s sovereignty. Airspace issues too. Not really a “state”.

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@Wurmserscribit The Palestinians are not without fault in the “peace” process, but they were never really offered a real state (leaving aside the Jerusalem and refugees issues). They couldn’t have a military (which they actually accepted, quite a step down from true>

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@StuartR80133305 @Wurmserscribit …(while each thinking that God, the fullness of time, their prophecies…will give them all the territory in the end) who cares? If both are sticking by the agreement, and people aren’t being killed, that’s fine for now.

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@StuartR80133305 @Wurmserscribit (a) I don’t know if that’s true and (b) even if it is, so what? Many Israelis never gave up (now they say it openly) on the aspiration to have all of historic Palestine, and more - can the Palestinians not have the same aspiration? As long as both sides agree to an agreement>

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@Wurmserscribit …took place, but they get on with their lives, in time the “historical injustice” recedes…and a new history is added.

Like, why can’t you do a settlement with them like was done in Northern Ireland?

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@Wurmserscribit You won, they lost. They are very likely willing to make a settlement (2 states with a cold or maybe chilly peace) while still regarding that as a basic injustice. So what? Many ppls the world have “settled” for situations while still considering that a historical injustice>

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@Nancyxprender @Wurmserscribit To their people, in Arabic, they've always presented a two state arrangements as an intermediate step.

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@elguapo561x @Wurmserscribit Simplistic. What they were offered was well short of a state and didn’t meet legitimate concerns of theirs (other than the “right of return”, which I don’t agree with).

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@Wurmserscribit …say they aspire to a 2 state solution in the longer term.

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@Wurmserscribit I was presenting their point of view (which in fact many ppl sympathise with, but that’s irrelevant). You’ve ignored my main point which was that Palestinian nationalism today is not about “keep trying to destroy Israel”, which was the reason you gave as to why Israel can’t even>

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@dylamug @Wurmserscribit Palestinian state would itself launch an attack on Israel, knowing the retaliation that would occur?

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@dylamug @Wurmserscribit First of all, you assume a Palestinian state would be like Lebanon, where there would be a Hezbollah-like militia (Hamas or a similar militia) that the government would be unable or unwilling to control. Why do you assume that? Or are you assuming that the government of the new>

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@Wurmserscribit …Palestinian nationalism today is “keep trying to destroy Israel”. The vast majority of Palestinians today are NOT engaged in any militant or “resistance” action to “destroy Israel”. The PLO accepted Israel over 30 years ago.

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@Wurmserscribit The essence of Palestinian nationalism is that a grave wrong was done to them in the capture by Zionists/Israel of 78% of the territory and the expulsion of 700,000+ of their ppl from their homes. Perfectly understandable. That is not the same as saying that the essence of >

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@CaraPac46808618 @BriannaWu Palestinians, not Muslims per se.

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@MosheAbuYishai @Nadav_Eyal @EylonALevy Israel has blocked every attempt of the Board of Peace to fulfill its remit.

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@cyberecho70035 @Nadav_Eyal Maybe Hamas will have disarmed by then and handed over the running of Gaza to the NCAG/Board of Peace?

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@petersavodnik …whatever the hell it likes, stuff international law, the UN, traditional alliances, even increasingly with the U.S.

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@petersavodnik No, there is a difference. All have security as a priority but the more center or left parties think Israel has to at least *appear* to comply with international law, international norms, have a care for relationships with other countries. The right say Israel should just do>