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J'ai réac pour ne pas perdre mes threads sur l'orthodoxie.
Je ne posterais jusqu'à nouvel ordre, je fais une pause. Je vais bien, mais je suis pris par mes études.
Dieu vous garde, bonne année et Joyeux Noël !
@benedictus I really have to admire St. Augustine for his humility in expressing reservations about the logical implications of his own ideas on the matter
I think that all infants will be saved, but not for Pelagian reasons. My personal theological opinion is that unbaptized infants will experience natural beatitude (i.e. Limbo which is mentioned in the Triodion afaik) but through the prayers of the Church will attain glorification at the Last Judgment and experience the supernatural beatitude which fortifies and perfects nature. We can't just wave away the simply massive tradition which affirms the distinction between baptized and unbaptized infants. St. Augustine was actually quite a careful and subtle thinker on this point, and did *not* believe that infants were tormented. When we read the way he describes their "punishment" in certain texts, it reads more like natural beatitude than any kind of suffering at all.
Saying that infants are automatically brought into the vision of God because of the innocence of their nature is Pelagian. I understand the appeal, but it just is what it is. And actually, the traditional view is *more* hopeful, because it creates a crucial precedent of thought- unbaptized people can be saved by the mercy of God *and the prayers of the Church.* We really do participate in the redemptive work of Christ, and I suspect that in the world to come there will be many Trajans.
I think that all infants will be saved, but not for Pelagian reasons. My personal theological opinion is that unbaptized infants will experience natural beatitude (i.e. Limbo which is mentioned in the Triodion afaik) but through the prayers of the Church will attain glorification at the Last Judgment and experience the supernatural beatitude which fortifies and perfects nature. We can't just wave away the simply massive tradition which affirms the distinction between baptized and unbaptized infants. St. Augustine was actually quite a careful and subtle thinker on this point, and did *not* believe that infants were tormented. When we read the way he describes their "punishment" in certain texts, it reads more like natural beatitude than any kind of suffering at all.
Saying that infants are automatically brought into the vision of God because of the innocence of their nature is Pelagian. I understand the appeal, but it just is what it is. And actually, the traditional view is *more* hopeful, because it creates a crucial precedent of thought- unbaptized people can be saved by the mercy of God *and the prayers of the Church.* We really do participate in the redemptive work of Christ, and I suspect that in the world to come there will be many Trajans.