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transhumanist-opensource-vegan kind of autist.
No longer really active here. I left for a new place with bluer skies.
@kakobelmont por isso q é bom levar um frasquinho com benzoato de denatônio pro churrasco. se os carnistas acabarem com as coisas veg, pinga discretamente na carne
@tracewoodgrains And that's pretty much the reason why democracy and capital accumulation are fundamentally at odds.
It's the theoretical basis for Anarchism.
@ArthurB ...or people realize that, in a system that rewards behaviors orthogonal to morality, the higher someone is in such a system's hierarchy, the more likely that what got them there is the actions that most people wouldn't take on moral grounds.
@AnaKasparian I believe you. No amount of public shaming, harassment or abuse is worth forgetting your principles over. Seems like enough money absolutely is though.
@Aella_Girl Somehow I think the incentive to maximize profit in an inelastic market leads really naturally to the situation we have. It's working as intended - for the shareholders
tbh your blind faith in markets has always been really baffling to me
@tracewoodgrains that's an insanely high bar. US healthcare is especially broken even compared to much poorer countries, even as 3rd place in spending as % of GDP.
no country has infinite resources - I'm saying the US siphons all its money into rent-seeking. Not just in healthcare either
@tracewoodgrains you aren't allowed to set up a separate state. If you could though, what prevents murder by crowd consensus being legal there? All state rules are ultimately decided by those with power.
my point is that violence isn't any more justifiable through the abstraction of a state.
@tracewoodgrains true, but I don't see a reason to favor govt acts as more justifiable than crowd judgement.
If we have a collective duty to ensure murder doesn't become a tool in the hands of collectives, doesn't the same apply to govts? govts decisions are, after all, decisions made by people.
@tracewoodgrains we do plenty of violence by utility. military activity, police carrying guns, shooting mass shooters, refusing healthcare, war.
whether any of those are a net positive is the moral debate. Otherwise, you are rejecting the entire concept of enforcement (which is valid, of course)
@tracewoodgrains It's perhaps impossible to prove the counterfactual of how many less deaths will happen as a consequence of this, but I have a strong hunch that it will be more than 0 - in which case, at worst we break even, and else, it's a net good.
@tracewoodgrains I don't have a deontological directive against celebrating someone's death. I do have an utilitarian preference for disincentivizing corporate decisions that will cost lives.
@Aella_Girl Incomplete answer: Following incentives does not absolve you from responsibility for its consequences. He followed incentives in the same way that a hired assassin follows incentives. Acting within the confines of the law was the only difference.
@ATabarrok Maybe if there were some sort of systematized punishment for these actions, people wouldn't yearn for justice at their own hands. You could call this something like... regulations