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@ChrisA261 @cyclops6255 No it wasn't. Prevalance in the US is not a representation of its prevalence around the world, in case you forgot other countries exist. And Psylocke's wiki/fandom pages were launched in 2004/05 respectively. But of course keep deluding yourself into thinking otherwise.

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@weatherwitch21 @PurplehairedNi1 @Iobaandrade Yes, that’s exactly what people want. But the very first and most basic condition for that to happen is that they need to stop bringing back Betsy in Kwannon’s body, don’t you think so?

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@ChrisA261 @cyclops6255 You don’t know how people who play the arcade games and watch the cartoon in the 1990s (hint: the title X-Men 97 is a dead giveaway) wouldn’t know immediately about the raceswap? You think comic stores and the internet were so prevalent back then? Gosh

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@thecrimsontt @PurplehairedNi1 You’re trying to deflect it to her “history” while completely ignoring her actual physical look and fighting style which are more symbolic of the Psylocke character than her “history”. Keep up with the mental gymnastics, your friend is fighting you for that gold medal.

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@thecrimsontt @Rizeauto1 @PurplehairedNi1 Haha, at this point you just want a character called “Looks-Kwannon-But-Not-Kwannon”.

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@thecrimsontt This conversation isn’t going anywhere because you know you can’t handle people calling out your false and forced narrative.

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@Rizeauto1 @thecrimsontt There is zero indication this Psylocke is wasian/eurasian or whatever your gold medal gymnastics is trying to cook up. And there’s zero viable reason to make her that too. Stop projecting your illiteracy.

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@Rizeauto1 @thecrimsontt @PurplehairedNi1 Nobody wants Kwannon with Betsy’s story. It’s about why they’re still doing Betsy in Kwannon’s body instead of Kwannon lock stock and barrel. But clearly you wouldn’t get it a hundredth time no matter how simplified it’s delivered to you because it doesn’t fit your narrative.

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@ChrisA261 @cyclops6255 Because people fell in love with the character not knowing she's not really who they thought she was. And as people grow up and mature and find out the truth and how problematic this shit was, they rightfully call it out. I'm surprised this needs to be explained.

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@PhoenixJean616 @thecrimsontt The first step to turning Kwannon into a real, fully fleshed-out character, is to (surprise surprise) have Kwannon appear in her own body. Anyone who supports Betsy turning up again in Kwannon's body can stop pretending they care about Kwannon as a character.

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@thecrimsontt This isn't an issue of racebending. This is in no way similar to any of the examples you listed. Those characters did not usurp anyone else's body and identity within the fictional universe.

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@thecrimsontt @PurplehairedNi1 Except Betsy fans aren't at all happy the body swap is not a thing anymore, because Betsy fans literally are demanding that this ninja Psylocke in X97 still be Betsy. What course correction? Marvel is literally moving backwards.

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@thecrimsontt @PurplehairedNi1 And no, it isn't "just as awful" if it were Kwannon herself. Because if it was Kwannon, then that means she chose to dress the way she did. It's FAR WORSE with Betsy because that means Betsy stole Kwannon's body and sexualized it for her own benefit without Kwannon's consent.

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@thecrimsontt @PurplehairedNi1 Yes it was sexualized and fetishized. But it doesn't change the fact that's what made Betsy popular. Acknowledging it doesn't mean encouraging it. All you're trying to do is guilt-trip people into not pointing out that fact.

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@thecrimsontt @PurplehairedNi1 Are you seriously saying that wanting Kwannon in Kwannon's body is "reducing her to a body" but making her Betsy in Kwannon's body isn't? Do you really not hear how ridiculous that statement is?

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@PurplehairedNi1 @Iobaandrade Really? Because it’s based on 90s nostalgia means we should bring it all back including racism of its time? Do you even hear yourself?

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@thecrimsontt @PurplehairedNi1 It absolutely was the asian body arc that made Betsy popular. People are calling out the racism and fetishism, no one is celebrating it. Kwannon fans are happy to have her return in more conservative outfits. If this is a mental gymnastic competition, you scored gold.

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@Mapro31 @anomegamutant Her personality was the same BEFORE the bodyswap yet far less popular, so clearly it was the fetishist asian look that gave her prominence. Her experiences as a ninja and history with The Hand were basically attempts to align her with her new asian body.

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