The Pop Philosopher

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@Coopster3113 @GuyInco15542744 Yes, clarified what I meant by it and have repeatedly told you what my precise claim is.

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@Coopster3113 @GuyInco15542744 How would a poor simpleton like me even hope to explain the difference. After all you need to teach me my own doctrine.

My friend, I simply don't care to make that argument because it has nothing to do with any claim I made.

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@Coopster3113 @GuyInco15542744 I’ve already granted, repeatedly, that the Orthodox and Mormon accounts are not identical. You keep pretending that’s the issue because you can’t answer the actual claim: the spousal bond established by God is not annihilated by death, but fulfilled in a more glorious mode.

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@Coopster3113 @GuyInco15542744 Again, you're changing the subject. You're frustrated because I made a far narrower claim than you hoped and now have no argument against it.

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@Coopster3113 @GuyInco15542744 You initiated the debate with me to argue against MY claims. Stop trying to change the subject. My claim in its entirety is: The union between spouses persists after death in a more glorious, that is superior mode, to use Chrysostom's language.

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@Coopster3113 @GuyInco15542744 I’ve already said the doctrines differ. You’re shadowboxing with an argument I never made. You can’t defend the one you started with. Your own Chrysostom citation concedes continuity of the union beyond death, which is all I ever claimed.

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@Coopster3113 @GuyInco15542744 Do you think I said there are no differences, so I'm right?

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@Coopster3113 @GuyInco15542744 I said from the beginning they were different. When did I ever dispute it. You aren't following the conversation. You are hell bent on changing the conversation.

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@Coopster3113 @GuyInco15542744 Beside the point. You have conceded by the very quote you invoked that the union between spouses persists after death. Which is the argument I'm making. You have been reduced to arguing: The kind of continuity Orthodoxy teaches is not the same as Mormonism. Not my argument.

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@Coopster3113 @GuyInco15542744 You are making an enormous number of assumptions about the mode in how the union between spouses in the LDS faith persists. In fact, there is no doctrine on that subject as such except that the union is glorified and perfected in Christ. So, definitionally superior.

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@Coopster3113 @GuyInco15542744 Let's see if you can respond then. Chrysostom's quote does nothing to refute my points. It affirms the continuation of the union. It just clarified the mode of its continuity. You're calling me a liar because you have no argument. You're too dumb.

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@Coopster3113 @GuyInco15542744 Fuck off, retard.

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@Coopster3113 @GuyInco15542744 Lol. You're not equipped to debate me. You wildly underestimated who you're talking to and are accusing me of lying after I gave nuanced clarifications. Totally unserious.

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@Coopster3113 @GuyInco15542744 I see your no longer arguing theology with but have resorted to calling me a liar. I already said the two are different. You simply have no response because you didn't expect me to understand theology at the level I do.

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@Coopster3113 @GuyInco15542744 The teaching is different by degree. The union of spouses is glorified in God. The marriage on earth is a shadow of its fulfillment. God joined them together. No man can put them asunder. Catholic vows are anathema. The couple dissolves their own marriage. 'Till death...'

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@Coopster3113 @GuyInco15542744 I'm aware of the differences between The LDS and EO.
Marriage is a mystery/sacrament,
it images Christ and the Church,
it participates in deification and the life of the Kingdom, and
the faithful departed remain alive in Christ, so the sacrament is not annihilated by death.

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@Coopster3113 @GuyInco15542744 Sorry, but Jesus isn't detailing a doctrine of marriage in that passage. He's rebuking the Saducees for their rejection of the resurrection. The ancient church taught Eternal Marriage and numerous church fathers affirmed it. That's why the Eastern Orthodox practice it to this day

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@Mormonger @ThoughtfulSaint If God knew that Satan and his followers would rebel then he deliberately enacted a plan in which some of his his children would be damned. The arguments you and Jacob are NOT solved by LDS theology.

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@Mormonger @ThoughtfulSaint So, Satan and his followers are not damned to outer darkness?