ppl dismissing knicks fans jumping spurs fans after the game by basically saying “well they wouldn’t have gotten assaulted if they were more careful about what they were wearing” HMMMMM
Been seeing people say the gap between Tatum and Brown is small so let’s compare Brown to literally 85% of Tatum offensively these playoffs.
The difference in ecosystem creation is absurd.
With Tatum ON:
• +7.8 rORTG
• +7.6 rFirst Chance creation
• +9.3% TS on/off
• +2.6 rAST%
• +11.7% 3PA frequency
• +6.3% rim accuracy
Boston generated way more efficient looks at BOTH the rim and from 3 with him on the floor. That’s offensive ecosystem impact.
With Tatum OFF:
• -8.8 rORTG
• -9.4 rFirst Chance creation
• -9.7% rim frequency
• -7.5 rTS%
• offense completely lost rim pressure and advantage creation
Now compare the WOWY data:
Tatum without Brown:
• 52.4% 3PA freq
• 38.8% from 3
• 78.2% at rim
• 43.7% mid-range
Brown without Tatum:
• 47.7% 3PA freq
• 32.1% from 3
• 65.6% at rim
• 39.0% mid-range
One lineup still generated elite spacing + rim efficiency. The other completely collapsed stylistically.
And Brown’s own impact metrics are rough this run:
Brown ON:
• -5.6 rORTG
• -6.1 rFirst Chance creation
• -4.9% TS
• -9.0% rim frequency
• -1.3 rAST%
• -1.4 rTOV%
Brown OFF:
• +24.4 rORTG
• +24.9 rFirst Chance creation
• +8.2% TS
• +8.1 rAST%
• -5.4 rTOV%
Again, on/offs alone are not the end all be all. But when the on/offs match the WOWY data, shot profile changes, rim pressure changes, spacing changes, creation, ecosystem changes, and years worth of sample size, it absolutely means something.
Tatum is the offensive engine.
Brown is the beneficiary of it.
They are not close to the same…
You keep exposing yourself as a casual by pretending this is ONLY about on/offs when the criticism has been consistent across literally every serious impact indicator for 4 years straight, regular season AND playoffs.
Jaylen was barely top 30 in DARKO DPM, a metric actual NBA front offices use because it filters out box score inflation and measures real possession impact. Then you stack that with lineup data trends over a 4-year sample, weak AST/TOV, bad TOV%, constant ball stopping, limited processing/playmaking reads, atrocious off-ball defense, and playoff efficiency drop-offs, and the full picture becomes pretty obvious.
And the on/off impact from this playoff run literally backs it up. White’s scoring efficiency cratered without Tatum (-13 TS swing) Tatum himself had a +13 point scoring swing and nearly +10 eFG swing with Jaylen OFF. Multiple role players had worse offensive environments next to Jaylens USG heavy creation, while the offense consistently stabilized around Tatum’s processing and advantage creation.
You’re ignoring a massive sample because he put up solid numbers with a HISTORIC usg% in the regular season. That sounds nicer than talking about actual offensive ecosystem impact huh?
And yes, 1 ring in this Eastern Conference landscape absolutely matters. Outside of 2022 vs the Warriors (which rightfully so, Tatum was a disaster), they’ve repeatedly come up short against teams they were favored over because the halfcourt offense eventually devolves into Brown tunnel vision and over usage. His 3rd grade handle turnovers, inability to make reads or break zone defense, and so many lost stagnant possessions against elite defenses. That’s not “hate,” that’s literally been the story of multiple playoff exits, it worked in 2024 because we were loaded and had no real competition, it’s time for CHANGE.
You can’t do this with JB bro you’re ignoring the context of the past 10 years where this has been the case for almost all of them. He’s the only guy who’s had to sacrifice and been held back it’s just unfair to do this to this guy😃. So tired of the coddling from this fanbase.
Who cares about this singular game, follow the plan so JT is ready for the games that ACTUALLY matter. It’s frustrating fs but it’s just what it’s gonna be for now until he gets his legs under him.
Didn’t address the actual problems with half of these characters, MK no ULT charge nerf or damage reductions, Jeans entire character and her ability to do literally anything but Naww 25 health “nerf”, SL faster ULT is ridiculous����
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