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[walter @rationalprocras]

This question is a hard one to answer and requires rigorous study of philosophy, but as I understand it, some of the main reasons humans are given worth (and, a lot of the times are even *defined* as humans) is significant intelligence, creativity, language, and the ability to feel pain. All of which sperm and eggs lack, which is why we don't care when a man masturbates or a woman menstruates, and all of which a zygote lacks, which is why we shouldn't care when a woman gets an abortion.

[walter @rationalprocras]

@LDiggley @MizShannonS @Dumfukdetector @DocDeezWhat @tully_says @baz_blackadder You're missing the moral worth part of this question, and it's either intentional because you don't know or you just don't care

[walter @rationalprocras]

@LDiggley @MizShannonS @Dumfukdetector @DocDeezWhat @tully_says @baz_blackadder What makes the fertilized egg cell more human than the sperm? The sperm had human DNA before the fertilization, and the zygote has human DNA after. Why is it human, and thus has "moral worth", *ONLY* after that specific moment when many steps before and after take place?

[walter @rationalprocras]

@LDiggley @MizShannonS @Dumfukdetector @DocDeezWhat @tully_says @baz_blackadder Masturbation *does* kill sperm, which is one of the earliest forms of a human life, and my question was why killing a zygote is bad while killing sperm isn't.

[walter @rationalprocras]

Men can kill a "kid" inside of them by ejaculating it into their hand yet I haven't seen any masturbating men get charged with genocide.

A fetus, for the first duration of its life, is simply a sperm cell with some more chromosomes. Why is aborting it more morally reprehensible than killing sperm cells from ejaculating?

[walter @rationalprocras]

The abortion argument is based off of determining whether killing a fetus is morally justifiable and is dependent on circumstance. Aborting a child (prior to developing consciousness) is not murder. Shooting a woman who is pregnant and killing the fetus would be murder. Both give the same result--a dead fetus--but have different moral implications.

Along the same rationality, aborting a child because it will have a disability for which you don't think you will be able to give proper care and aborting a child because you hate that it is black will also yield the same result. Both have different moral implications. Shocker.

[walter @rationalprocras]

@BrendonLeslie You've pulled the word "murder" out of your ass. What makes the killing of this fetus morally unjustifiable?

[walter @rationalprocras]

When Christians try using God as the moral authority, you get homophobia among other things.

Even more personally annoying is people like this classifying a killed fetus as "murder" with zero rational thought process.

[Vince Miller @vinceleemiller]

When humans try replacing God as the moral authority over human value, you get:

-Babies murdered for being "defective"

-By a eugenics clinic disguised as "healthcare"

-That profits from murder by dismemberment, and calls it "Pro-Choice"

This is spiritual evil.

[walter @rationalprocras]

@jannepartanen22 @MessbargerAlex @Lychibe "I don't want to raise this child because it will have a disability that will be difficult to manage" and "I don't want to raise this child because it will have brown eyes" are not based off of the same rational line of thinking and is thus an ineffective reductio ad absurdum.

[walter @rationalprocras]

@hakkevakke He says later in the post that the female had told him that prior instances of men lusting her has made her uncomfortable. Thus, he wants to stop lusting out of respect. Wanting help controlling and dealing with these thoughts is not evidence he was "clearly taught" anything.

[walter @rationalprocras]

@ShaambaBaashdi @Jewelpaint @ChazakielDoremi By definition, guilt means feeling one is at blame for committing an offense. He says that he feels terrible because he is viewing her in a way he doesn't want to view her. Nowhere does he claim he is to be "blamed" for feeling this way, only that he doesn't want to do so.

[walter @rationalprocras]

@StayDrunkI @GabrielaPlatzer What is the relevance of this comment to the post? Or is there none and you decided to make these baseless points for zero reason

[walter @rationalprocras]

@stranglovecraft @salomeenjoyer @KILLTOPARTY He didn't say it was; however, he did say that his friend was made uncomfortable by other people *giving into* those fantasies and proceed to get off to thinking about them, and doing so anyways would be disrespectful.

[walter @rationalprocras]

@spizzle29 @salomeenjoyer @KILLTOPARTY It's more like "I've never experienced lust towards this woman before despite seeing her in a bikini prior. I am now, though, and I don't want to see this woman in that light, any advice?" but I'm not sure why I expect reading comprehension on twitter

[walter @rationalprocras]

@ShaambaBaashdi @Jewelpaint @ChazakielDoremi Where does he mention guilt in this post?