@Jehkosa@Ariesguy041499@nikicaga But the thing is… they can’t. That’s the whole damn point. Fundamentally America only works cuz it depends on multiple competing factions making it so that no singular one has the majority of power. In Iran, not so much.
@sudoraohacker@StatisticUrban I mean the whole point of the constitution was that it makes things very hard to get done. Tyranny by the majority is a very real thing. The filibuster makes sure compromise happens and that legislation won’t entirely flip-flop every few years
@JohnPet59772730@psychomag1@TheDemocrats 1. In the past couple weeks in just Minnesota alone, they executed 2 US citizens, and detained a 5 year old.
2. They are much less trained than police, don’t need to identify, are allowed to racially profile, and never get punished
3. They know what they signed up for.
@JohnPet59772730@psychomag1@TheDemocrats Also, if they are behaving ethically, why are they directly impeding state government investigations into their behavior?
@JohnPet59772730@psychomag1@TheDemocrats So, impeding ICE means you should be summarily executed?
How about for an alternative, ICE behaves ethically and stops acting like a (not so secret) secret police?
@sadwhalenoises9 @BlueGreenOrion@libsoftiktok@RepJayapal And part of being a society of law and order is remembering that the crime must fit the punishment.
What they did was wrong, sure, but they’re still people. I believe with some acts, ice has behaved cruel and unusually and in that way has lost the plot.
@sadwhalenoises9 @BlueGreenOrion@libsoftiktok@RepJayapal I appreciate the correction. I guess I’ll just end this off by specifically mentioning that this isn’t just semantics. Legally speaking a crime v a civil violation hold very different implications. The treatment of these people is in large part determined by this fact
@Thatcoolguyyea@BlueGreenOrion@libsoftiktok@RepJayapal Immigration status is based on ones intention to stay. By this logic is anyone an immigrant? How can we say that they moved permanently given how unpredictable the future is?
Overstaying a visa is not a legal attempt to immigrate but an attempt to immigrate nonetheless
@babydumpling24@Thatcoolguyyea@BlueGreenOrion@libsoftiktok@RepJayapal Listen, I’m not arguing that we should let them all stay, but any lawyer worth their salt not trying to grift will tell you that the difference between “crime” and “civil violation” isn’t pedantic. The rule of law and justice are incredibly sensitive, so precision is important
@sadwhalenoises9 @BlueGreenOrion@libsoftiktok@RepJayapal And as I said before, this isn’t a crime but rather a civil violation.
Hence, the majority of illegal immigrants, according to U.S. law haven’t actually committed a crime. While this does not make it permissible, these distinctions are highly important
@sadwhalenoises9 @BlueGreenOrion@libsoftiktok@RepJayapal I mean not necessarily. The majority of people who are here without status entered the country through methods that in isolation are not illegal. For example, th majority of undocumented people came here legally with a visa, and then overstayed it.