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[Robert @retrob4u]

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@absurdiumcom Are Proxy Sealings real?

[Robert @retrob4u]

We absolutely believe God can and does speak today — through His Word, the Holy Spirit, and wise counsel. But we reject the idea that the Bible is incomplete and that God waited 1,800 years to restore the gospel through Joseph Smith.

More revelation is not the issue. The issue is whether that “revelation” contradicts what God already clearly revealed in Christ and Scripture. That’s why we test everything against the Bible (Acts 17:11; Galatians 1:8-9).

It’s not closed-mindedness.

It’s faithfulness to what God has already given us.

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@Primary_Pianist @XianImperialist I know that Joseph Smith and his family were known locally in Palmyra/Manchester, New York, as “money diggers” — people who used magical practices to search for buried treasure.

Did you?

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@IdleAn94328 Yourself through your actions do not impute righteousness.

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Joseph Smith was deeply involved in 19th-century American folk magic (also called “cunning folk” traditions or treasure seeking) before and during the early years of founding the LDS Church.

His Folk Magic Background:

• He and his family were known locally in Palmyra/Manchester, New York, as “money diggers” — people who used magical practices to search for buried treasure.

• Joseph used seer stones (special stones believed to have spiritual powers) placed in a hat to “see” hidden treasure. He was paid for these services.

• He owned several seer stones, including the famous brown stone he later used to “translate” the Book of Mormon.

• He participated in folk magic rituals involving magic circles, divining rods, incantations, and protective amulets (some of which have survived and are in Church archives).

• Court records from 1826 show he was brought before a judge in Bainbridge, New York, as a “disorderly person” and “glass looker” (someone who looks into stones or glass for supernatural insight).

How This Influenced Early LDS Church:

1. Translation Method — Joseph dictated the entire Book of Mormon while looking into a seer stone placed in a hat, blocking out light — the exact same method he used for treasure seeking.

2. Temple Ceremonies & Symbols — Many early Mormon practices (special clothing, gestures, tokens, and ritual language) show clear parallels to folk magic ceremonies.

3. Worldview — Joseph’s comfort with supernatural objects, visions, angels, and buried ancient records fits naturally within a folk magic worldview.

4. Controversy — This background is one of the most uncomfortable topics for modern Latter-day Saints. The Church now acknowledges it in Gospel Topics essays but frames it as Joseph using his “gift” from God, which he later sanctified for religious purposes.

Modern LDS View:

The Church downplays or reinterprets this aspect of Joseph’s life, preferring to present him as a simple, uneducated farm boy called by God.

Critics argue that folk magic is the cultural soil from which Mormonism grew — not ancient Christianity restored, but 19th-century American occultism mixed with the Bible.

This remains one of the strongest historical arguments that the Book of Mormon and early LDS practices have 19th-century origins rather than ancient ones.

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@BrysonGray So.

How many times do I get to not obey and still get salvation?

Is it a percentage thing? I hope?!?

Where’s the percentage?

In James? 1 John? Hebrews?

Help!!!

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@TysonTestimony @Ch_JesusChrist Mormons either don’t know their own history, or more likely, have to suppress it.

Joseph Smith and his family were known locally in Palmyra/Manchester, New York, as “money diggers” — people who used magical practices to search for buried treasure.

And Proxy Sealings? Bizarre.

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Precisely.

Mormons are incredibly insecure about their religion because they all know Joseph Smith was a folk magician.

He and his family were known locally in Palmyra/Manchester, New York, as “money diggers” — people who used magical practices to search for buried treasure.

That would make me a little nervous too.

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@YeFutureSaint Denominos

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@temppreacher @TheRoyalSerf There are people who have joined the LDS to follow Jesus not knowing all of the 19th century occultism that’s in their Church.

Much less reading the Book of Mormon.

Mormons don’t lead with Proxy Sealings and the like.

So, many people leave the LDS FAST.

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@TheGermanicist The government also forced Mormons to stop all the polygamy nonsense, and so the Church of Latter Day Saints complied (even though it took two Manifestos).

Nonetheless, the government just threw y’all a bone with a wink and a nod.

“Remember the polygamy stuff?”

[Robert @retrob4u]

@Thatbrian @SenMikeLee Mormonism is 19th-century American occultism mixed with the Bible.

[Robert @retrob4u]

…and a folk magician!

Joseph Smith was deeply involved in 19th-century American folk magic (also called “cunning folk” traditions or treasure seeking) before and during the early years of founding the LDS Church.

His Folk Magic Background:

• He and his family were known locally in Palmyra/Manchester, New York, as “money diggers” — people who used magical practices to search for buried treasure.

• Joseph used seer stones (special stones believed to have spiritual powers) placed in a hat to “see” hidden treasure. He was paid for these services.

• He owned several seer stones, including the famous brown stone he later used to “translate” the Book of Mormon.

• He participated in folk magic rituals involving magic circles, divining rods, incantations, and protective amulets (some of which have survived and are in Church archives).

• Court records from 1826 show he was brought before a judge in Bainbridge, New York, as a “disorderly person” and “glass looker” (someone who looks into stones or glass for supernatural insight).

How This Influenced Early LDS Church:

1. Translation Method — Joseph dictated the entire Book of Mormon while looking into a seer stone placed in a hat, blocking out light — the exact same method he used for treasure seeking.

2. Temple Ceremonies & Symbols — Many early Mormon practices (special clothing, gestures, tokens, and ritual language) show clear parallels to folk magic ceremonies.

3. Worldview — Joseph’s comfort with supernatural objects, visions, angels, and buried ancient records fits naturally within a folk magic worldview.

4. Controversy — This background is one of the most uncomfortable topics for modern Latter-day Saints. The Church now acknowledges it in Gospel Topics essays but frames it as Joseph using his “gift” from God, which he later sanctified for religious purposes.

Modern LDS View:

The Church downplays or reinterprets this aspect of Joseph’s life, preferring to present him as a simple, uneducated farm boy called by God.

Critics argue that folk magic is the cultural soil from which Mormonism grew — not ancient Christianity restored, but 19th-century American occultism mixed with the Bible.

This remains one of the strongest historical arguments that the Book of Mormon and early LDS practices have 19th-century origins rather than ancient ones.

[Robert @retrob4u]

@j_arthur_bloom Senator Mike Lee has publicly defended his great-great-grandfather, John D. Lee, by describing him as a “scapegoat.”

Fact.

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@GrandpaJoeSux There is zero biblical precedent for doing baptisms or eternal marriage sealings for the dead or post-death salvation.

Joseph Smith was a folk magician and explains the sorcery, and the use of physical rituals, special clothing, gestures, and objects in LDS temples.

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@Joshua_the_car Why?

Shouldn’t Chaplains know about this type of Mormon marriage?

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@jefflynch967 @Beard_oh Imagine getting to the Celestial Kingdom and you were Proxy Sealed to Mitt Romney or Mike Lee or anyone for that matter!!!