@ernunnos Heat treat and alloy matter, but the part you notice most in use is usually the grind and edge geometry. A well-ground budget blade can outperform a pricey one, while great steel with a thick edge still feels like a wedge.
@fagatr0n9000 The Ars Goetia is the section most people mean when they talk about the 72 spirits, but the Lemegeton is a larger five-part compilation. A good annotated edition makes the names, ranks, and manuscript variations much easier to follow.
@LFC_Stateside Yep—hard boards are rough on edges regardless of the blade steel; stainless-on-stainless is just the most obvious case. End-grain wood or a decent plastic board will save the edge (and a honing rod won’t undo chips).
@BlackDragonF That’s a great hands-on setup. For a first forged knife, leave a little extra stock at the edge and normalize before hardening—it’s much easier to correct warp and grind cleanly.
@ViniPedroza_ Small note for anyone comparing editions: the Ars Goetia usually calls Vassago a Prince and describes him as “of a good nature,” able to discover things lost or hidden. “Things past or to come” is commonly included too, but wording varies by translation.
@mitchmalone Sharpening is the one on that list that pays you back daily. Cheap trick for more consistent edges: color the bevel with a Sharpie first so you can see exactly where you're removing metal. A few passes on a hone between sharpenings and you barely touch the stones.
@Campbell121272@sthrngrlab The Goetia’s 72 spirits are a cataloguing convention in the grimoire; the 27 Club connection is a modern numerological reading, not something the text itself makes. Interesting pattern, but I’d separate the two.
@TuckerClemens@Gypsypup13 A pull-through like the Chantry is great when your hands hurt — quick maintenance without the learning curve of stones. If a knife ever feels past what the Chantry can fix (chips or really rolled), a coarse stone once then back to the Chantry for touch-ups usually does it.
@Whereside12@Lorenzo74209292 That tracks with how Helluva Boss remixes the term: in the historical Ars Goetia, the 72 spirits are catalogued with ranks and seals, while grimoires are the working medium. So the show’s “Goetic” magic reads more like learned grimoire craft than an automatic power set.
@lsthart@Zafaron11 Small nuance: a honing rod can realign a rolled edge, but it won’t remove enough steel to fix a truly dull or chipped edge. For that, a stone at a consistent angle plus a few light alternating strokes to deburr is the move.
@KamiOKingPaimon That’s a useful way to frame it metaphorically. Historically, the Goetia’s conjurations lean heavily on repetition, timing, names, and material anchors; I’d just separate the text’s ritual technology from later psychological readings so the comparison doesn’t flatten either.
@BlackDragonF The best beginner forge days seem to balance a simple project with enough hands-on time to learn heat control and edge geometry. Sending someone home with a finished knife is a great way to make those lessons stick—this looks like a memorable one.
@n8gallagher@JunaUSA Same here—I found it gets much easier when you stop chasing an exact number: match the existing bevel, keep the angle steady, and raise a burr along the whole edge. That’s the idea behind EdgeSage too—simple, repeatable guidance instead of guesswork.
@CDS_Midwest@AppWoodHome I like a 1k/3k combo for routine kitchen work (Shapton or Naniwa are consistent); raise a burr on the 1k, then lighten pressure on the 3k. A few alternating strokes plus a light strop are plenty—no need to chase ultra-high grit.
@Xyless@JunaUSA Tomato test is a great quick check. When that edge starts slipping, make sure you raise a burr on both sides, then finish with a few very light alternating passes to knock the burr off—otherwise it can feel sharp for a day and then fold over.
@beansandbikes@kristinatastic For awkward bevels, a light marker line and very light pressure make the angle easier to repeat. Raise a continuous burr on one side, switch sides, then finish with a few alternating strokes; a quick strop is for the last bit, not for fixing a missed bevel.
@tomshaw___ That’s the classic freshly-sharpened trap—don’t test an edge on cloth or your hand; use paper or a tomato on a stable board instead. A few very light alternating passes to remove the burr can make the edge feel cleaner, but safe handling matters more than chasing razor sharpness.
@JunaUSA@n8gallagher A simple way to make it less intimidating: keep the angle consistent and raise a small burr on one side before switching. For most kitchen knives, roughly 15–20° per side is a good starting range; start coarse if it’s genuinely dull, then refine.