Ryan Moon Ⓥ

[Ryan Moon Ⓥ @RyanMoon11]

@CanangaChinesa @Perky_43 So far you posited that morality requires intent/purpose/context, but give no examples that relate to animal slaughter, and now you’re borderline attempting to deny that animals *feel*, despite overwhelming & frankly obvious evidence that they do. Desperate.

[Ryan Moon Ⓥ @RyanMoon11]

@CanangaChinesa @Perky_43 None of which is necessary. Listen to the sound of a pig squealing as it thrashes for its life, burning from the inside when gassed to death (standard practice), or when you accidentally step on a dog’s paw. What are arguing now? Animals *aren’t* conscious?

[Ryan Moon Ⓥ @RyanMoon11]

@CanangaChinesa @Perky_43 Learn the ‘other minds problem’, the science on consciousness & comparative cognition & then come back to me. Irrefutable evidence does not become “ideology” just because it happens to be inconvenient to you.

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@CanangaChinesa @Perky_43 The equivalence is that from the perspective of the thinking, feeling victim, intent does not matter. I’ve said this multiple times. Your inability to understand that is your problem. Your position wrong at every angle & from wherever the goal posts rest.

[Ryan Moon Ⓥ @RyanMoon11]

@CanangaChinesa @Perky_43 Except you can’t give a single example of intent, purpose or context that justifies supporting the needless slaughter of animals for taste pleasure. Not a single example. You’re doing the sloganeering here, not me. Get specific or call it a day.

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@CanangaChinesa @Perky_43 It’s not relevant in this context. And you still can’t explain why: you just keep regurgitating your own sensibilities (which are of literally no relevance or importance whatsoever) based on a vaguely defined difference between “sadistic pleasure” and taste pleasure.

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@CanangaChinesa @Perky_43 The context is that you don’t need to participate in systemic animal abuse to survive & thrive. Your “intent” is irrelevant, just as a drink-driver’s intent to get home cheaply is irrelevant. If purpose is “I like the taste”, that’s not a defensible moral position.

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@CanangaChinesa @Perky_43 So please answer. What difference does it make *to the animal itself*, why someone wants to kill or harm it?

[Ryan Moon Ⓥ @RyanMoon11]

@CanangaChinesa @Perky_43 Self-defence & genuine accidents are self evidently different. Why is equating killing an animal for taste pleasure (a form of enjoyment), any different from killing an animal for some other fun *from the perspective of the animal*? You keep refusing to answer the question.

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@seb9383 @BGatesIsaPyscho I know the nutritional science better than you my friend. You’re embarrassing yourself, just like when you demonstrated a total misunderstanding of evolutionary biology by using teleological terminology.

“B12 tho” - a vitamin that all dietary groups are advised to supplement.

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@CanangaChinesa @Perky_43 Manner of the act? Throat slitting, de-beaking, tail docking, gas chambers, maceration, bolt guns, beheading… You’re making my argument for me without even realising. Your consumption choices support all of these things.

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@CanangaChinesa @Perky_43 Proportionality? Slaughtering *billions* of defenceless animals annually is proportional to what exactly?

Necessity? No need to consume animal products nutritionally speaking. Whole food vegan diets produce better health outcomes than virtually all other dietary groups.

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@CanangaChinesa @Perky_43 Lots of people doing a bad thing doesn’t make it ok. It makes it worse, bc there’s more of that bad thing. You can choose to participate in it as you do, or you can oppose it. One is objectively a more moral position than the other. You don’t like it bc you’re on the wrong side.

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@CanangaChinesa @Perky_43 And if you can’t understand why opposition to duck-killer but support for animal agriculture is a contradictory mess of a position to hold, you should quietly exit the conversation with your tail between your legs.

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@CanangaChinesa @Perky_43 And yes, you are on trial. If duck-killer is on trial for killing a duck, then everyone else who supports the killing of animals (including ducks, of course), must be too. The reasons are different (sadistic weirdo vs taste pleasure & profit), but the outcomes are identical.

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@CanangaChinesa @Perky_43 I mean, objectively, I do have the moral high ground here. You support systematic animal abuse with your wallet & consumption choices. I don’t. If being on the moral low-lying ground bothers you, then make better choices.

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@CanangaChinesa @Perky_43 You keep straw-manning your way through this. I don’t say you “excuse every act of animal cruelty”. I’m saying your position is hypocritical & ethically inconsistent. I’m sure you’re sincere in your belief. It’s just a very obviously flawed, selectively applied belief.