Sam

it's complicated

[Sam @Sam46150511]

@NectarOrganic @eliMCXI @HardenBetter_ I started reading. Jesus has different genealogies in the Gospels. You should start reading too, and see if you come to the Trinity.

[Sam @Sam46150511]

@NectarOrganic @eliMCXI @HardenBetter_ Before 1054, there was neither a Roman Catholic nor a Greek Orthodox Church. There was a single church of the Roman Empire, called the Catholic Orthodox Church of the Roman Empire, with five patriarchs. The Pope was one of the patriarchs

[Sam @Sam46150511]

@NectarOrganic @eliMCXI @HardenBetter_ Study the history of the Church, which gave you a collection of memoirs and letters from anonymous authors, contradictory to each other, without original sources, with later insertions, called the New Testament or simply the Bible

[Sam @Sam46150511]

@NectarOrganic @eliMCXI @HardenBetter_ And the Ethiopian Church treats with great respect the Protoevangelium of James, where Mary was 12 years old when she gave birth to the Messiah, taking information from there about Mary and the church holidays associated with her.

[Sam @Sam46150511]

@NectarOrganic @eliMCXI @HardenBetter_ Do you even know the history of the church? After Christianity was declared the state religion in the Roman Empire, the Catholic (Universal) Orthodox Church emerged. In 1054, it split into the Catholic and Orthodox churches. The canon was created by the Catholic Orthodox Church

[Sam @Sam46150511]

@NectarOrganic @eliMCXI @HardenBetter_ The Ethiopian Church was part of the Catholic (Universal) Orthodox Church until the schism in 451 AD. Their New Testament canon was identical before the schism, but the later canon developed later than that of the Universal Church of the Roman Empire

[Sam @Sam46150511]

@NectarOrganic @eliMCXI @HardenBetter_ Jews believe in and worship a transcendent God, just like we do. Can you explain the Trinity?

[Sam @Sam46150511]

@NectarOrganic @eliMCXI @HardenBetter_ Your Trinity is the interpretation of the elders who are called the Fathers of the Church

[Sam @Sam46150511]

@NectarOrganic @eliMCXI @HardenBetter_ Your canon of books, called the New Testament, was compiled by the Catholic-Orthodox Church. Your Creed was formulated by the Church. You cannot derive the Nicene and Chalcedonian Creeds without the Church. Without Church tradition, you have no Trinity

[Sam @Sam46150511]

@NectarOrganic @ElNahhasKamal1 @RetroStart_8681 @HardenBetter_ إِنَّا فَتَحۡنَا لَكَ فَتۡحٗا مُّبِينٗا

[Sam @Sam46150511]

@eliMCXI @NectarOrganic @HardenBetter_ Are you accusing me of cherry picking? Who's throwing verses from the monotheistic Old Testament at me without context to justify the Trinity? You still won't be able to derive your beliefs from the Bible without the church

[Sam @Sam46150511]

@eliMCXI @NectarOrganic @HardenBetter_ This Old Testament verse cannot replace the Creed

[Sam @Sam46150511]

@eliMCXI @NectarOrganic @HardenBetter_ The prophet speaks here in the past tense ('He has sent'), even though it refers to a future event, because in a prophetic vision, the future is shown as an already established fact.

[Sam @Sam46150511]

@eliMCXI @NectarOrganic @HardenBetter_ Radak’s Commentary:
"The words 'He has sent me' are the words of the prophet Zechariah himself.
The meaning of the verse is as follows: The Lord of Hosts said to me that after the glory He will manifest for Jerusalem, He sends me on a mission to the nations that plundered you.

[Sam @Sam46150511]

@eliMCXI @NectarOrganic @HardenBetter_ There have only been 2 popes in history, so that would have been enough to abolish Church tradition?

[Sam @Sam46150511]

@NectarOrganic @eliMCXI @HardenBetter_ If not, then you will have to accept the Church tradition based on the Protoevangelium of James, where Mary was 12 years old