'Like most men of his kind, he viewed religion as a precious and powerful instrument for directing the female conscience.' THE ODD WOMEN, George Gissing
@antemodernist@ShawnMathis1972 Leftwingers wouldn't abandon feminism; we value women's safety and women's rights too much. We know what women were subjected to before feminism and we want better for the women of today and the women of tomorrow.
@orangeflavored_@CecilLCMS@catholic_comedy The sex who is invariably put at the top is bound to struggle less. But glad you recognise it (some say women secretly yearn for it, despite all our actions to the contrary). Does that not tell you that it's not, in fact, natural, and that it's been unfairly imposed on women?
@catholic_comedy@orangeflavored_ ..marital rape was legal (and men in trad marriages are most likely to view marital rape as nonsensical/an oxymoron). Men owned their wives wages&could commit her to an asylum/separate her from her children on a whim. These laws/accounts are readily available for us to research.
@catholic_comedy@orangeflavored_ Also, it's not 'presumed' historically norms; when our countries were more traditional/patriarchal, wife-beating was more condoned/police, judges, priests/pastors&other authority figures were more likely to look the other way/tell women to endure&submit. 1.
@catholic_comedy@orangeflavored_ I know that it's very traditional, per your original comment. I know that you both are catholic, that others view you as 'off/extreme' and that you have many children.
@PsalmWarfare Marriage isn't really great for women when patriarchal. Women already want marriage less and benefit less and divorce more.
Women finally have the shackles off, and shouldn't have to put them back on because dateless would-be-patriarchs are whining.
Many good/decent men exist.
@spanglermt Women, chase your dreams, get an education, remember your grandmothers' warnings and always be financially independent. Stand up for yourself and escape abusive/controlling men who need to put you down to feel like men.
@totusjustice Except that when women were more 'feminine' and when they lacked rights, many men brutalised them, degraded them & looked the other way when other men did too. They both failed to protect women, but also robbed women of the ability to attempt self-preservation.
@PsalmWarfare Theobros like women dependent. A dependent woman is easier to control, and is less likely to escape abusive husbands. Where would she go? She lacks resources/a voice/proper recourse. That gets the theobros salivating.
@catholic_comedy@orangeflavored_ The part where you said that your marriage was very traditional. Historically, women have often suffered and been degraded in very trad arrangements.
@whaleyboiii@GuntherEagleman Lesbians don't have the highest dv rates. It was looked into and many of those lesbians had at some point been with a man and it was often the man responsible for the abuse.
FBI crime stats? How do you figure that?
@orangeflavored_@catholic_comedy I think that we can aim for respect, decency, autonomy, safety and happiness as benchmarks for normal.
And so, protecting women and pushing back against patriarchal men would be in line with that, yes.