Shan

He is ٱلْمُصَوِّر (Al-Musawwir). Upholding Tawḥīd, following Prophets, guided by Scripture. Learning through respectful dialogue 🌙📖

[Shan @Shan24859331]

@GodwinOnahOkewu @ObiWanSunobi @korrathetaymi If Jesus' divinity is essential to salvation, why infer it from indirect statements rather than show a clear teaching from Jesus himself?

"Jesus didn't say it because he was humble" explains the absence of an explicit statement. It doesn't prove the doctrine.

[Shan @Shan24859331]

@GodwinOnahOkewu @ObiWanSunobi @korrathetaymi 2. Quoting a passage and then interpreting it as "Jesus is God" are two separate steps

Appealing to my "blindness" doesn't answer the question.

[Shan @Shan24859331]

@GodwinOnahOkewu @ObiWanSunobi @korrathetaymi 1. I'm not denying that John records statements attributed to Jesus.
I'm asking whether those statements clearly teach the doctrine being claimed.
That's the difference.

[Shan @Shan24859331]

@therickyneilsen @ObiWanSunobi @korrathetaymi 2. Also i find it strange that you're treating the accusation of Jesus' opponents as proof of doctrine...

[Shan @Shan24859331]

@therickyneilsen @ObiWanSunobi @korrathetaymi 1. I'm not demanding specific wording.

I'm asking for a clear teaching.

An accusation from the crowd isn't a teaching from Jesus.

What Jesus actually says in the passage is: "I am God's Son" (John 10:36).

[Shan @Shan24859331]

@Bill26011841 @s32780541 @ObiWanSunobi @korrathetaymi The issue isn't angels.

The issue is whether a symbolic vision in Revelation is the same as a clear teaching from Jesus himself.

I'm asking about Jesus' explicit teaching, not whether visions occurred.

[Shan @Shan24859331]

@GodwinOnahOkewu @ObiWanSunobi @korrathetaymi Lol

I'm asking 4a clear teaching that Jesus identified himself as God and commanded people to worship him.

It doesn't have to be those exact words. Show me the teaching from Jesus himself—not merely an interpretation of what his opponents or later theologians thought he meant.

[Shan @Shan24859331]

@therickyneilsen @ObiWanSunobi @korrathetaymi That's not an "exact word fallacy." I'm asking what Jesus actually claimed.

The crowd's accusation tells us what they thought he meant—it doesn't automatically prove they understood him correctly.

In the same passage Jesus says, "I am God's Son" (John 10:36).

So show me where?

[Shan @Shan24859331]

@ObiWanSunobi @Bill26011841 @korrathetaymi 2. Mark 14:61–62 — Jesus says he is the Messiah/Son of Man, not "I am God."

Those passages are arguments for divinity, not Jesus saying, "I am God, worship me."

You're giving interpretations of passages. I'm asking for Jesus' explicit teaching.

[Shan @Shan24859331]

@ObiWanSunobi @Bill26011841 @korrathetaymi 1. John 10:30 — "I and the Father are one" can mean unity; context matters.

John 8:58 — "I am" is debated; even if it echoes Exodus, that's not the statement "I am God."

John 14:9 — seeing Jesus is seeing the Father, yet Jesus distinguishes himself from the Father.

[Shan @Shan24859331]

@ObiWanSunobi @korrathetaymi But the context actually matters.

Jesus says, "I am God's Son" (John 10:36), not "I am God."

"I am in the Father and the Father is in me" describes their relationship/unity, but doesn't by itself say they are the same person or one God.

So the question remains...

[Shan @Shan24859331]

@Bill26011841 @ObiWanSunobi @korrathetaymi You've moved from Jesus' direct teaching to John's vision in Revelation.

My question was simpler:

Where does Jesus clearly say, "I am God" or "Worship me"?

Quoting titles that require interpretation isn't the same as a direct statement.

[Shan @Shan24859331]

@ObiWanSunobi @korrathetaymi An accusation isn't proof.

The issue isn't what the Jews thought Jesus meant.

The issue is whether Jesus himself clearly taught, "I am God."

Can you quote him saying it?

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[Shan @Shan24859331]

People spend their lives asking, "What do I want?"

The prophets came asking a greater question:

"What does God want from me?"