i find conservative/religious women who admit their beliefs are misogynistic and require them to be inferior to men far more honest than those “actually just bc my husband gets the final say does NOT mean i’m not his equal !!!” women
@BasedWrestlers@killuie Every slave owner used this argument to keep their slaves that they are gonna resort to crimes and etc. Islam mandated zakat for people, it could've had a social welfare network for freed slaves?? Couldn't it?? But as always no matter when and how it was, a slave is a slave
@BasedWrestlers@killuie You just admiting that Islam is conformed to human standards, when I though that Islam was supposed to be different from man made beleif systems. You're comparing the framework given by God to a framework by human, you're lowering the divine standard to basic human politics.
@BasedWrestlers@killuie So first you say the system was perfectly designed to "oust" slavery, but now that history proves it didn't, you blame "free will"? If a legal framework allows "corrupt leaders" to trade humans for 1000+ years without breaking the law, the flaw is in the framework.
@BasedWrestlers@killuie If the system made slavery haram, they wouldn't need a "better master" they'd be free under the law. Mukataba literally forced victims to pay their oppressors for human rights. You're defending a system that managed slavery so well it preserved it for a millennium.
@BasedWrestlers@killuie Not really. At the end, the outcome was not as u expected, slavery became institutionalized, slaves were freed and slaves were gained through wars, Islamic countries were the last to abolish slavery, so it was not the best "way". While coming from a Divine moral framework.
@BasedWrestlers@killuie I know that buying or selling "free" people is not permitted, but buy people who were and are already slaves and selling them was totally okay.
@BasedWrestlers@killuie All forms of slavery inherently involved violence, subjugation, and a fundamental denial of human freedom. Chattel or christian slavery were worse, but that doesn't mean islamic slavery was good in any sense. Broddw it's slavery; why am I explaining to you if its bad or nah??
@BasedWrestlers@killuie Plus he didn't have to ban slavery or like free all slave that day, he could have just said buying or selling slaves is not permitted and haram and gaining slave through war is not permitted too, and this generation of slaves would be the last generation of slaves ever.. but no..
@BasedWrestlers@killuie But I thought "ان الله على كا شيء قدير" if God wanted to ban slavery he could have with a snap, but he didn't. He didn't stop the worst crime in all history
@BasedWrestlers@killuie What did you refute?? She got your ass for saying "modern" and not classical. Because you know in classical islam slavery and concubinage are permitted and not viewed negatively or sinful at all. Even Mohammed had both.