@uwuleaker99@Sonic_Iso That being said, yeah I do wish zeco wouldn't sell and share stuff the way he does. But these issues and constant drama plaguing the scene right now are not one person, it's systemic imo.
@uwuleaker99@Sonic_Iso Like zeco has been a part of the scene for years like it or not. People who have been in it for any amount of time who aren't stupid know what's up. The difference now is AI-empowered folks are able to swoop in with little to no caution and casually distribute dangerous things.
@Sonic_Iso@uwuleaker99 I mean it just seems like people forget (or are maybe too young to remember?) that there was a time doors were kicked down and researchers were sued. That happened because of shit like this. People wonder why the "ps3/wii modding glory days" didnt return. This is partly why.
the bd-j file currently being shared for ps4 14.00 is originally my private file it was unpacked and redistributed and whoever did it was stupid enough to leave references to my own domain inside it
the only reason this file ever left my hands was because someone with devkit and testkit access contacted me and offered to support my research with a testkit dev resources firmware updates and anything i needed in return he wanted access to my jailbreak for testing i agreed because i wanted to study the security differences between retail consoles and dev/test hardware and nothing more
later i spent around two weeks researching a separate method related to extracting content_key_seed information for sony packages zeco @notnotzecoxao helped me with some fundamentals corrected some information and gave me some keys and i will never deny that after the method was completed we agreed to keep it private between us
after that other people kept asking me for the method and keys and i refused but later i found out the method had been shared outside that agreement and then the same private circle that already had my iso started getting more information too
after giving people far too much trust i can say this with confidence in my own work i always wanted to do things the right way and responsibly but mistakes happen and this was one of mine i trusted the wrong people
the key extraction vulnerability has now been reported to sony as well :) the report is submitted and sony will also be provided with the list of games they obtained content_key_seed from so they can investigate the full impact
i have also provided the relevant technical details and evidence through the proper channels including information that can help them verify where the leaked development material came from
i will not publish private mac addresses serial numbers account details or personal information publicly that belongs with sony not social media
from this point forward im done with playstation research im not working on playstation anymore and im leaving this shitty scene completely
i came here to research build and learn not to deal with leaks lies black market drama and people selling private work behind each others backs
goodbye to fpkg updates :)
and this is officially the end of the keys business
im out
@HaifeiLi My somewhat pessimistic theory is that VR/ED is one of the few things AI is really good at that doesn't come with strings attached. Code review seems like something LLMs were basically built for. It's a clear winning use-case they can market.
@ShadwDrgn Idk why people struggle with this, but slop is the complete antithesis of something solid and resilient meant to last long term. By definition you slop things you don't give a fuck about. Not all projects that use AI are slop, but most of what is being published right now is.
The way people been knowing about the smilebasic4 exploit and were being patient (Like With Every Console Modding Exploit) but the AI bro leaked it and successfully burnt the exploit, damaging long term switch 2 modding heavily
you can’t make this up 😭
@ShadwDrgn its basically tiktok brain for console hacking. People can come in, spend a few days with AI to do something, drop it for clout, then leave. They don't need to care about the future, they got what they wanted. This is what we want? Short term gains for long term losses?
@Breaklng_B4D What I feel like LLM slop is hitting at the core is the feeling that you're making valuable contributions. The struggles and the journey to make something cool is part of what makes it so cool and fulfilling. In a world of slop, it feels pointless to bother putting in your time.
I'm curious on the long-term impacts. I think a lot of long-time scene veterans feel this way, and while the slop mods/projects are being embraced now, eventually people will be fatigued of them. Then all the people who poured their passion and effort into the space will be gone.
Can I say something? This whole situation is seriously starting to get on my nerves.
At this point, it feels like I can't show anything on screen anymore without seeing the same ideas being replicated by someone else shortly afterward. And, as usual, the people who come along later end up getting far more attention than the person who originally came up with the idea and developed it first.
I keep seeing all kinds of emulators and application ports made by people who practically joined the scene yesterday being shared and promoted everywhere. Meanwhile, I've been developing projects for PS4 and PS5 for years, putting thousands of hours into my work, yet I still feel like most of what I create gets systematically overlooked.
I'm not asking for recognition simply because I've been around longer, but I do believe that originality, hard work, and years of contributions deserve at least some acknowledgment.
And I want to make one thing absolutely clear: I have nothing against the person I'm replying to. This isn't personal, nor is it an attack on their work.
This is just me venting about a situation I've seen happen over and over again, and frankly, it's becoming incredibly frustrating.
@ElnTskX3@capybaraonchain I didn't say you should never use LLMs. I'm saying releasing things that are cranked out whole-sale by LLMs will not have staying power, because part of what made these projects special was the creativity and passion put in by the developers. The penny will drop eventually.
@ElnTskX3@capybaraonchain Yeah slopbros can't be convinced that effort or quality matters so I won't try. Enjoy the low-effort sludge that subsidized claude plans can pump out while you can. It's definitely just ego, you should put as little effort into life as possible 👍
@capybaraonchain I don't want to say people shouldn't enjoy cool things being released, if it makes you happy that's awesome. But to me a lot of it feels hollow. AI generated stuff has soulless quality to it that's difficult to quantify, and 99% of these projects won't be maintained, bet on it.
Not even just speaking about console hacking here, the explosion in game modding communities of new stuff has been crazy too. So many people are hype about it, but I think it will drive away the people who really kept these communities alive for these fly-by-night contributions.
@Dalio27776950 I’m not saying LLMs are not effective, but rather that it is taking away the reasons a lot of folks did console research. In many ways it overlaps with the same problem the CTF community has been facing.
Please don’t take this or the replies as justification to personally attack anyone, this is mostly just a consequence of the times we’re in. It just makes me a bit sad and the situation is unfortunate.
@goplayfull@ElnTskX3 Agreed, this extends way beyond console stuff and I’m soap boxing a bit. But this has and will continue to drive talented researchers away. People do console research for fun not day jobs, LLMs have basically corporatized it.
@ElnTskX3 Or rather, trashed by people using LLMs who cannot comprehend the amount of effort and passion that went into these things in the past. And they're only able to use LLMs to do this because it basically stole and trained on all the past work done by people like flow.
@ElnTskX3 Maybe if you step back for a second and re-read your own words, you can understand. Pre-LLMs people were not so reckless and careless about burning other people's stuff because a lot of time and effort needed to be put in. Hundreds of hours, years of expertise. Trashed by LLMs.