Ben

[Ben @StateSanctioned]

@barikofthetiers @JessicaY75136 @AviadTarab @Lib_Cruncher @Quietnthechaos Also, Hussein-McMahon being "ambiguous" about Palestine is overstated. It pretty clearly did not include it and McMahon confirmed this multiple times. Hussein changed his tune on Zionism when the Brits betrayed him with Sykes-Picot, but he knew this too

[Ben @StateSanctioned]

@barikofthetiers @JessicaY75136 @AviadTarab @Lib_Cruncher @Quietnthechaos Just admit you didn't know that and are curious now. I spent months in Israel in the 90s and have been following for decades, I know a ton in this topic. You don't have to pretend you know as much as me on it.

[Ben @StateSanctioned]

@barikofthetiers @JessicaY75136 @AviadTarab @Lib_Cruncher @Quietnthechaos You're basically repeating over and over that it was land theft but not addressing that you can't have something stolen from you that isn't yours. Brilliant, brilliant guy

[Ben @StateSanctioned]

@barikofthetiers @JessicaY75136 @AviadTarab @Lib_Cruncher @Quietnthechaos The death knell is that people act like it was Arab Muslim land at the time of the Balfour Declaration and it clearly wasn't - it was mostly peasants in the Levant who were OE subjects and increasingly angry they couldn't control Young Turk policy.

[Ben @StateSanctioned]

@barikofthetiers @JessicaY75136 @AviadTarab @Lib_Cruncher @Quietnthechaos So Arab self determination across the entirety of the middle east is a given (except not for Kurds, Druze, etc.) and it was their god given right to have the Allies overthrow the Ottoman Empire and zero should have been asked in return.

[Ben @StateSanctioned]

@barikofthetiers @JessicaY75136 @AviadTarab @Lib_Cruncher @Quietnthechaos The Jews circumvented Ottoman policy to establish Tel Aviv. Policy and attitude towards immigration changed to the point where some in the Young Turks leadership were telling Arabs to be more like the Jews and build their own Tel Avivs.

[Ben @StateSanctioned]

@barikofthetiers @JessicaY75136 @AviadTarab @Lib_Cruncher @Quietnthechaos My point is the text of Shariff Hussein and McMahon negotiating pretty clearly indicates it was not "Palestine" and it was undoubtedly Ottoman land - hence the desire to overthrow the Ottoman Empire. How is this not registering?

[Ben @StateSanctioned]

@barikofthetiers @JessicaY75136 @AviadTarab @Lib_Cruncher @Quietnthechaos Good enough for me, you found some common ground with a Zio rat

[Ben @StateSanctioned]

@barikofthetiers @JessicaY75136 @AviadTarab @Lib_Cruncher @Quietnthechaos As a matter of fact, part of the reason Arabs turned against the Young Turks because some of their officials started elevating Jews above Arabs as Ottoman citizens. If Allies hadn't won WW1, there clearly wouldn't have been a Jewish state, but no Arab states either.

[Ben @StateSanctioned]

@barikofthetiers @JessicaY75136 @AviadTarab @Lib_Cruncher @Quietnthechaos And you keep glossing over Hussein-McMahon, but it's a death knell for this whole stolen land scam. The "father of Arab Nationalism" welcomed British help in overthrowing the Young Turks - who already allowed Zionists to develop Tel Aviv

[Ben @StateSanctioned]

@JessicaY75136 @barikofthetiers @AviadTarab @Lib_Cruncher @Quietnthechaos RIP Shani Louk and so many more innocent souls. I'll never forget

[Ben @StateSanctioned]

@barikofthetiers @JessicaY75136 @AviadTarab @Lib_Cruncher @Quietnthechaos Have you been called stubborn before? Not trying to personally attack you, I have a feeling every single person in your life (maybe there aren't very many) thinks you're a brick wall. Your stubbornness to make even a single concession is astounding.

[Ben @StateSanctioned]

@barikofthetiers @JessicaY75136 @AviadTarab @Lib_Cruncher @Quietnthechaos Is it alarming to you at all that this culture not only doesn't prioritize child safety but makes some of them soldiers, builds hospitals and schools over tunnels and celebrated child martyrdom? Have you ever been called stubborn before?

[Ben @StateSanctioned]

@barikofthetiers @JessicaY75136 @AviadTarab @Lib_Cruncher @Quietnthechaos Biggest they are fighting entrenched warfare and had to destroy giant tunnel networks below buildings. You must be capable of understanding this.

[Ben @StateSanctioned]

@barikofthetiers @JessicaY75136 @AviadTarab @Lib_Cruncher @Quietnthechaos Eh, not really. If the roles were reversed in October 7th I would definitely believe women were sexually assaulted based on a preponderance of evidence.

[Ben @StateSanctioned]

@barikofthetiers @JessicaY75136 @AviadTarab @Lib_Cruncher @Quietnthechaos You also act like a pure logician but then ignore points when you get pinned - e.g., Hussein-McMahon, Palestinians* being the only conflict zone civilians where safety isn't prioritized, child martyrdom, etc

[Ben @StateSanctioned]

@barikofthetiers @JessicaY75136 @AviadTarab @Lib_Cruncher @Quietnthechaos Case in point, who has more incentive to have children die taking ethics out of it. Israel, who has yet to eliminate Hamas, Hezbollah or Islamic Republic, is strained on military service and had to fight for months to get back all the hostages - or the child martyring lunatics

[Ben @StateSanctioned]

@barikofthetiers @JessicaY75136 @AviadTarab @Lib_Cruncher @Quietnthechaos Not sure what qualifies as "evidence" but it was enough for the NYT after a multi-month investigation. The problem with people like you who overestimate their own intelligence is that they cannot accept the logical answer once they have formed biases.