@Pr1meX@NoMercy720@Rev_ADB and what happened? those safeguards were taken over and used to lift an entire city off the ground. How did it happen? Tony made a decision BY HIMSELF to create self serving AI that took all his drones, all tony's fault, this is not a secret its openly seen as his mistake
@Pr1meX@NoMercy720@Rev_ADB And the city falling, Cap was the one who insisted Tony finds a plan that saves every life on that island, during that panicky segment Tony wasn't looking for a rescue plan but more a escape plan, Cap insisted they stay, that's Cap refusing collateral civilian damage
@Pr1meX@NoMercy720@Rev_ADB That's what im talking about, he used to drones as a prototype to build ultron which he didnt converse about with anyone from the team, Cap didn't hide Bucky he thought Bucky was dead, he only hid the truth about Tony's parents which i already mentioned
@Pr1meX@NoMercy720@Rev_ADB is not the simplest and easiest thing to do, he chose to keep it under wraps under he found a way to undo the mind control to prevent any other conflict, the only reason this didn't work out is because of Zemo not because it was a bad choice
@Pr1meX@NoMercy720@Rev_ADB the only thing u could argue he did wrong in the Bucky ordeal is that he didn't sit down with Tony and tell him, which is not a "moral" choice, he made that choice because telling your superhero friend that your bestfriend is a brainwashed killer who killed his parents
@Pr1meX@NoMercy720@Rev_ADB When Cap made that decision he did it BEFORE they were FORCED to do it, so his decision BEFORE is completely separate from the conclusion
@Pr1meX@NoMercy720@Rev_ADB i didn't say it was his idea to sacrifice him i said it was Cap's idea to NOT sacrifice him, which how can u argue that there is something morally wrong with NOT sacrificing your own people to win, "they had to do it anyway" is a stupid argument used in hindsight
@Pr1meX@NoMercy720@Rev_ADB he was wrong to create an private damage control robot army without telling anyone that turned into killer drones, locking up Wanda and treating her like a weapon of mass destruction while im pretty sure she is a child, he was also wrong on the AOU island before cap corrected him
@Pr1meX@NoMercy720@Rev_ADB i have been rewatching the entirety of the MCU in the past weeks and you have simply gotten the details wrong, Steve has been proven right across all the movies including after Endgame they keep proving his arguments right
@Pr1meX@NoMercy720@Rev_ADB which Nick Fury and everyone else agreed to it wasnt something only he said and only he stood on, everyone agreed Shield was too compromised and had to go
@Pr1meX@NoMercy720@Rev_ADB He precisely stopped vision from KILLING HIMSELF for the stone because he DOESNT see him as a "necessary casualty" to win like u said he does for everyone around him and the Shield stance is objectively true, he said it was too corrupt it needed to end not a rebuild
@Pr1meX@NoMercy720@Rev_ADB Tony is the smartest when it comes to other things, not morals/decision making and if u are referring to the accords, not signing them would be the better way to prevent further conflict instead of signing them, if they sign them and have an issue it would lead to diplomatic war
@Pr1meX@NoMercy720@Rev_ADB His nightmare was also not simply about the war being over it was about the war being over and him realizing he could never see peggy again, that peaceful life he thought he could have is lost and never to be found, especially with him so isolated in newer times
@Pr1meX@NoMercy720@Rev_ADB To find a way to land the island WITHOUT civilian casualties, literally stating that he is not leaving that floating island with even a single person still left, either u havent watched the movies or you're blatantly lying
@Pr1meX@NoMercy720@Rev_ADB first of all that's not what a war monger is, a war monger is someone who instigates or encourages war which cap has NEVER done, he either ends it or prevents it, 2nd he has never treated people like collateral damage, in Age of Ultron he was the one urging Tony
@Pr1meX@NoMercy720@Rev_ADB And this isn’t just MCU but the Comics (which is what he’s based on) He simply thinks people should act on their own moral compass instead of government agendas, which has been proven to be wrong or corrupt COUNTLESS times, like they show u in the movies that he is right
@Pr1meX@NoMercy720@Rev_ADB He is self righteous for a good reason and he is objectively not a war monger i don’t know where u got that from, Captain America is known to be self righteous but for a good reason, he has been written to basically always be right when it comes to moral
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