John St. Patrick

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[John St. Patrick @StPat2005]

@patelsahil2002 But this is why I like your analysis so much, it’s brute and emotional and daring and self-servicing, and contradictory in interesting ways. It’s very BT w/o the weirdness and more colloquialisms. I disagree with you both often but there’s always one at least insightful thing—

[John St. Patrick @StPat2005]

@patelsahil2002 2B the point of having explicit priors is that reality gets an opportunity to damage them. You start with a model, encounter evidence, test the model against cases it didn’t generate, and either strengthen, qualify, or abandon it. Thats how you understand a thing a better.

[John St. Patrick @StPat2005]

@patelsahil2002 Look, I like your analysis, appreciate it in the basketball space, but it’s too biased and emotional therefore easy to make you look like a fool in the most respectful way possible. It’s obvious you dive in with priors (philosophical and aesthetic) and are stubborn about them.

[John St. Patrick @StPat2005]

@patelsahil2002 Only players objectively better at passing in your top 10 are Magic and ~Lebron.

But, again, it’s less about McGrady… I’m just interested in how you’re lamenting Kobe and Malone’s contexts but so dismissive of a player’s peak in a worst one with better advanced indicators

[John St. Patrick @StPat2005]

@patelsahil2002 “I don’t think you can build a BITW O and/or D around TMac nearly as easily as you can for at least 25 players in league history.”

Alright, now, why? Can you even reasonably generate REAL and TRUE basketball reasons? And not the common caricatures? That’s all I’m asking.

[John St. Patrick @StPat2005]

@patelsahil2002 Like, dude? You being unable to remember what you said, nor defend your own points, logic or criteria is an understandable reason to become upset.

Yes, the guy leading +6 offenses on a trash team that were a -12 O without him“isn’t good enough to elicit such imagination” lol

[John St. Patrick @StPat2005]

@patelsahil2002 *during his rockets era they were top 3-5 defenses every year his offense had just fallen

[John St. Patrick @StPat2005]

@patelsahil2002 And the 6’9” wing/guard who can play off-ball and exist shooting over the top of the defensive shell is the exact formula for maintain good offense on a defensive slanted roster.

[John St. Patrick @StPat2005]

@patelsahil2002 *assumed you meant his rim finishing was worse because the jumpshot was definitely not worse than anyone of his peers beside Vince and Ray at his peak

[John St. Patrick @StPat2005]

@patelsahil2002 Most perimeter creators were hovering around 60% so that’s nitpicking especially considering the value he’s adding ass a pull-up, hence why he was more efficient than most of them at his peak on higher volume, and only you and Ben Taylor think he was a so-so passer.

[John St. Patrick @StPat2005]

@patelsahil2002 I’d take this at face value if you didnt immediately resort to “so-so interior passer” without actually knowing the context beside what base rim assists said and then downplay his profile because he was shooting jumpshots even he shot to the rim more than young Kobe.

[John St. Patrick @StPat2005]

@patelsahil2002 Also just given evolution of skills, 00s players like Kobe for instance would have access to higher individual peaks than a previous eras. You seem to accidentally imply and understand that with 01 Kobe over 93 MJ.

[John St. Patrick @StPat2005]

@patelsahil2002 Like you were able to give 01 Kobe and 98 Karl huge contextual favoritism, but then became extremely literal minded about a case for McGrady, who like many stars was swallowed by an extremely hostile 2000s context.

[John St. Patrick @StPat2005]

@patelsahil2002 Most player peaks conversations are just who peaked inside a decent to good context which is a terrible way to evaluate individual players.

[John St. Patrick @StPat2005]

@patelsahil2002 I don’t really care about Mac, just interested in how your criteria weighs context. You don’t think it’s interesting the only one 2000s player made your top 10 peaks? That an entire era just isn’t represented in these discussions?