JH

Political, opinionated, & nice guy. Dual citizen (NZ/UK), Kiwi Brit. No enlightenment offered, opinions are own. Please no DMs

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@peterbayley @nickofnz I would more put it at the feet of Shane Jones and his party NZ First. Not that National's hands are clean

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@jezobrien @KemiBadenoch @Conservatives You don't need to be in the country to vote if you're on the role, you can do it at the nearest consultant or by post. They already allowed people to vote overseas for up to 15 years, now they've changed it for the rest of your life. You still need to be on the role though

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I remember when they changed the law and I thought it was a pathetic knee jerk reaction to a woman who came here specifically so her kid could be a NZ citizen. I'm still pissed off about it. Now we see what the consequences are and it's cruel.

[Richard Hills @RichardHills_]

Please reconsider this decision @ChrisPenknz this is ridiculous. He was born here, schooled here & only knows New Zealand.

Govt used its discretion with Candice Owens to overturn that ruling. So we know you can use it. Show the government has heart. https://t.co/vQmraD6NCs

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@jezobrien @KemiBadenoch @Conservatives You're talking about hypotheticals anyway. Authority don't really care if a few manage to break the law to get the vote as it's hardly going to matter that much. If they're in large numbers, then they will do something, and then you'll probably face being prosecuted.

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@jezobrien @KemiBadenoch @Conservatives You still needed to register on the role and to do so you need to, by law, live there and be considered ordinarily resident. And you could move overseas and vote from there once you're on the role. You could get someone to lie about you living with them, but that's illegal

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@jezobrien @KemiBadenoch @Conservatives I never said that you couldn't do it, but it's not as easy as you make out. But you still need to register in a constituency and either live there or pretend to. Pretending to is not as easy as you think, unless you have people there willing to lie about you living with them

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@jezobrien @KemiBadenoch @Conservatives Yeah but the residence requirement of being ordinarily resident hasn't changed. But if they do change that, then that's on them. Currently you have to be ordinarily resident.

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@jezobrien @KemiBadenoch @Conservatives Yes but it doesn't change anything I just said repeatedly

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@jezobrien @KemiBadenoch @Conservatives No I think you'll find all they did was change it so you could vote for the rest of your life overseas. Previously it was 15 years overseas that you could vote before you lost it. Those who gained it back still had to have registered while lived in the UK before they left

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@jezobrien @KemiBadenoch @Conservatives I still have the vote, but it's still in the constituency I last registered in before I left. I still had to have lived there to register there in the first place. I thought I'd explained this

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@jezobrien @KemiBadenoch @Conservatives I think you will find you do. You need to be ordinarily resident to register. That's the law. You might get away with it, but you would still be breaking the law. You can, once you have registered, move overseas and vote, but you still need to be resident to register

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@jezobrien @KemiBadenoch @Conservatives Because I wasn't on the electoral role. I have to first live there and be considered ordinarily resident. Those rules have been in place for decades. If you're not ordinarily resident and you pretend you are, you're breaking the law. You might get away with it, but it's illegal

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@SageofomahaNZ @Oldie452 You don't know what you're talking about. Either that or you're lying. It was closed by refining nz or whatever they call themselves. It wasn't the govt of the time. You're trying to rewrite the history books, just like Luxon and co

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@jezobrien @KemiBadenoch @Conservatives Don't understand what you are talking about. I wasn't born in the UK, yet I couldn't vote, use the NHS until I moved to the UK. My parents are British granting me citizenship. The only real advantage that gave me overseas was FoM around the EU till Brexit and right of abode in UK

[JH @terrasea]

@jezobrien @KemiBadenoch @Conservatives Not true. I asked about it before I moved to the UK. You can only get on the role if you are ordinarily resident. Look it up

[JH @terrasea]

@GaryPayinda NZ is not that pristine. I remember the Manawatu river was reported to be the 5th most polluted in the world. I found that hard to believe, but it was and may still be very polluted, even if it looks clear. Still I get your point

https://t.co/wr7ieZLBfm

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@nickofnz I remember that event. I was still at school. Lead to jokes like, "which part of the rainbow don't the French like? The greenpeace"

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@nickofnz And I thought it was bad enough in the UK under the previous Tory govt.

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@kiwialliance Depends. I only have experience emailing my MP in the UK. I imagine it is a similar situation to here. I got a reply very quickly, and even had a short chat via email as a result. I think it's a matter of time and if they are interested in replying.

[JH @terrasea]

@LizWebsterSBF Who'd have thought

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@farmgeek On the odd occasion he says the right thing. If only he'd do that more often, but sadly no. It's like Winston. I don't agree with most of his rhetoric but he sometimes says something I agree with. Didn't change my mind about either of them though