@Chartism93@jimthegiant Are there livable countries with billionaires but low redistribution? Yes.
Are there livable countries with high redistribution but no billionaires?
No.
So it's not the bigger factor.
@Chartism93@jimthegiant Yeah I know you are misreading me time and time again. Greater determining factor? Greater than what? Than the factor that allows for existence of billionaires?
@Chartism93@jimthegiant You keep saying stuff like: 'you are under the illusion that' 'you can't understand that' 'you are incapable off'. And I just want to say that this is not very effective in convincing anyone, which sucks to be you because western Europe keeps winning, and not your opinions.
@Chartism93@jimthegiant Me: a castle with walls is safer than a castle with no walls.
You: this is wrong!!! Because the castle with the highest walls is not the most safe castle!
@Chartism93@jimthegiant I understand that perfectly fine. My politics are far closer to the Nordic countries systems than you, because I want a free market system with redistribution.
@Chartism93@jimthegiant The natural consequence of the Denmark system from the 1930s, which gives freedom for accumulation of indivual wealth, is BILLIONAIRES.
@Chartism93@jimthegiant Bro please listen to yourself... Do you want me to turn it into logical premises for you?
X: Is ability to create billionaires present? Yes it is
Y: increase in wellbeing.
the size of the ability to create billionaires is not relevant in this premise.
@Chartism93@jimthegiant Just because you say things doesn't make it true. If true, you could name a country... And yes political and societal forces do correlate with both increase in well being and existence of billionaires
@Chartism93@jimthegiant The system is able to create billionaires, that was the premise. The ability is present, the size of this ability is not relevant to my argument.
@Chartism93@jimthegiant You clearly want wayyy more redistribution than the Nordic model. And you just assume that will improve things even tho it always fucks the well being over. If you actually cared about the well being of the people you'd understand this.
@Chartism93@jimthegiant No it really doesn't bro. That's just not my reasoning at all. My only reasoning is: a system that allows for the EXISTENCE (not growth or increase) of billionaires, will see an increase in well being. If you can't understand this I really don't know what to say.
@Chartism93@jimthegiant No, many countries with really high wealth redistribution have failed, BECAUSE their economy isn't free enough and it can't grow.
@Chartism93@jimthegiant Are you ragebaiting me? I've explained this 4 times already. I'm not talking about increase in billionaires, but existence of billionaires: increase of well being in USA correlates with existence of first billionaires, and in Europe the same
@Chartism93@jimthegiant This improvement in high levels of well being has a 1 tot 1 relationship with existence of high levels of wealth accumulation for individuals.