Toby Lightheart

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💚 The meaning of life is creating meaning

[Toby Lightheart @TobyLightheart]

The right philosophical ideas will "solve intelligence" and prescribe a tech-positive future for all. Then it just becomes an implementation problem.

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@jxmnop @barrnanas Hold on! That looks like an en-dash (–) not an em-dash (—)!

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@windless_mill @zetalyrae Unfortunately, it takes more than the existence of alternatives to displace something integrated into mature products and deceptively simple to use. It survives on collective (user + developer) sunk cost and preying on the uninformed (including me until now).

[Toby Lightheart @TobyLightheart]

Every state having a sovereign AI _is_ wasteful. We don't need total sovereignty, but we should have an option that is not US or China. (NUSoC?) If the rest of the world pooled resources into one open source consortium we'd have a chance. Anyone working on this?

[Angelica 🌐⚛️🇹🇼🇨🇳🇺🇸 @AngelicaOung]

Incredibly grim for Europe. Let’s not forget, even just counting just the EU that’s a bigger population than the US producing more STEM talent every year. By the raw numbers it should have a good tech ecosystem and be a player in the AI game, not an also-ran.

The problem is, when you are a vassal you don’t get to have those nice things. You get stripped of your top talents and trapped as a captive market for the American giants.

[Toby Lightheart @TobyLightheart]

@Texfile @AnnaLeptikon It's going to be hard to have a productive discussion if we can't agree on a distinction between a straw man and a thought experiment. Maybe ask an AI about the straw man fallacy and property as a social construct.

[Toby Lightheart @TobyLightheart]

@deepfates A lowbie can dream of being relevant enough to be auto-slopped...

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@aether_oracle @tomieinlove Like, that's just your opinion, man.

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@Texfile @AnnaLeptikon Many people treat property rights as sacred, and it is built on top of strong instincts of possessiveness and territoriality. If we're being rational, we shouldn't reflexively dismiss a concept or question just because it challenges the nature of property.

[Toby Lightheart @TobyLightheart]

@Texfile @AnnaLeptikon A "straw man" is a misrepresentation of the other position. You might be thinking of a "red herring". Anna's OP argued that property is foundational to civilisation. I *agreed* but argued that property is still a social construct. Exchange value is entirely socially constructed.

[Toby Lightheart @TobyLightheart]

@AnnaLeptikon Private property has civilisational importance, but is it sacred and beyond questioning? Modern concepts and laws of property have far exceeded the primitive origins. The gorilla doesn't care about shares, cryptocurrency or IP. AI is the next big test of "property".

[Toby Lightheart @TobyLightheart]

@Texfile @AnnaLeptikon The exercise is useful for some questions. What do you think we're talking about?

[Toby Lightheart @TobyLightheart]

@davefobare @AnnaLeptikon SpaceX is doing very well! Reusable rockets and Starlink have been incredible feats of engineering. NASA has had some big successes, like JWST. It would be hard to make a commercial case for JWST, but luckily there is government funded science too.

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@Texfile @AnnaLeptikon I don't think I misrepresented any arguments here. The likelihood has no bearing on the implication.

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@AnnaLeptikon I agree that it is property. Anything can be property if we (socially) agree that it is. These days, we thankfully agree people shouldn't be property. I'm trying to make a case that we should be allowed to civilly question these agreements, like we did for slavery.

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@AnnaLeptikon Cryptocurrency, shares and IP are property but their value is socially constructed. If you were the last person alive, what could you do with these things?

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@mindingmyps @teortaxesTex LLMs are becoming the talent.

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@teortaxesTex I would put the probability of this near zero. Demis might try spinning up a new internal lab to pull the research talent away from production drama.

[Toby Lightheart @TobyLightheart]

@hecubian_devil @Aella_Girl I agree with your distrust of the hypothetical and the validity of the poll outcome, but I think it's worth interrogating.