@Bonzo38022013@Alghurabaaaaaa Ok? That still doesn't answer my question. What are the plural easts and wests that the Prophet claims to have seen? Either metaphorically or physically, whichever version you want to argue for, explain to me what it is the Prophet claims to have seen please.
@ahsardwd@mrrstark0@Taalibah_2@grok You commit logical fallacies left right and center. There is no helping you to believe in the true Islam. Only kuffar like you would believe that the Prophet was a warlord and sex addict like the hadiths consistently make him out to be.
@ahsardwd@mrrstark0@Taalibah_2@grok My whole contention is that these Islamic sources are tainted because they are written / created by FALLIBLE people, NOT the Prophet himself.
Obviously, according to your own sources, you are correct. My contention is that these sources themselves are corrupted.
@ahsardwd@mrrstark0@Taalibah_2@grok That is a problem, isn't it? You only uphold this criteria for Islam, which is a logical fallacy known as special pleading.
If any other religion claimed miracles like this, but there was zero evidence outside of that religion's scriptures, you would immediately dismiss it.
@ahsardwd@mrrstark0@Taalibah_2@grok It's the sole reason why there are different tafsirs for the Quran, to the point where the tafsirs frequently contradict each other. The human scholars who make these tafsirs are FALLIBLE human beings. They are NOT prophets.
@ahsardwd@mrrstark0@Taalibah_2@grok My entire premise is that Muhammad was the Prophet and Messenger of Allah. It was his duty to finish and collect the Quran, and if a tafsir is necessary, to provide the tafsir of Muhammad.
Yet, the Quran was compiled by fallible people after his death. It is surely corrupted.
@ahsardwd@mrrstark0@Taalibah_2@grok Unfortunately for you, there are no external records of the splitting of the moon, nor the battle of Badr. See the image below.
As for 17:1, there is no other human being who can prove that the Prophet actually performed this miracle because they weren't there to see it.
@Bonzo38022013@Alghurabaaaaaa You still haven't answered my question. Where or what are the "extremities" that he mentions? You need to explain what the extremities are in this metaphor. Byzantium and Persia are neighbours, so they can't be the extremities he mentions.
@Lazy9Man@Alghurabaaaaaa These are the visual representations of unfolding the sphere using Smale's Paradox. Now, can you explain to me where the eastern and western extremities are on any of these unfolded sphere models? What could the Prophet have actually "seen" as the extremities that he mentions?
@ahsardwd@mrrstark0@Taalibah_2@grok So you think Allah, the most powerful and all knowing God of the universe, chooses to put verses about cursing Abu Lahab and his wife in the Quran, but then chooses not to put verses regarding the Prophet's miracles?
Are you sure you're not trolling?
@ahsardwd@mrrstark0@Taalibah_2@grok Quran 17:90-93 is Muhammad directly saying he is only a human messenger who does not perform miracles.
What miracles does the Quran establish that the Prophet did? Why is this miracle of curing Ali's eye infection missing from the Quran?
@ahsardwd@mrrstark0@Taalibah_2@grok No, please do some reading about how scriptures and texts can be corrupted WITHOUT needing large groups of people to conspire.
It is an insult because the Prophet is a timeless moral example. If you're saying it's not ok to do that anymore, you are insulting the Prophet. Period.
@ahsardwd@mrrstark0@Taalibah_2@grok Such an important event that proves that he is a Prophet of Allah because he can perform miracles like no one else can, yet it is only mentioned in the hadiths and not in the Quran? The Quran will curse Abu Lahab but fail to mention a miracle like this? Just think for a second.
@ahsardwd@mrrstark0@Taalibah_2@grok Example: If Muhammad performed miracles, would you expect these miracles to be recorded in the Quran or not? Surely, right?
Yet, the Quran repeatedly says Muhammad is just a normal person with no miracles. And then you have contradictory Sahih hadith: https://t.co/hU9i0jXjvs
@Bonzo38022013@Alghurabaaaaaa But he claimed that after the folding of the Earth, he saw the Earth's east and west extremities? Where are these extremities on the globe Earth?
If you claim it's metaphorical, can you explain what metaphor the Prophet is using when he says he "saw" the extremities?
@beet_kon What? So not only do you admit to lying about the fornication (since you clearly have no evidence for it), now you're making more things up? It has to be fornication because fornication deserves the death penalty?
Listen to yourself, you terrible human being. What a monster.