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@wangchangfu88 老实个屁啊，国有难，回必乱。清朝时的回回叛乱死了千万人啊，现在国内也有很多关于穆斯林的矛盾，但是出于“民族团结”的原因都被压下来了，所以你才看不到新闻舆论什么的

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@solopribuilds 妓女，一种人类最古老的职业之一

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1. 土耳其对中国人来说是非常陌生的，没有什么关注度，中国人犯不着主动攻击土耳其，在中国根本没人讨论土耳其。
2. 吵架的导火索是土耳其民族主义者，泛突厥主义者认为中国的新疆/维吾尔族人属于土耳其。
3. 中国不能直接访问国际互联网，而能在X上发表言论的中国用户意味着他们有更激进的表达倾向。
4. 我在与爱狗人士在网络上吵架之后，会去吃狗肉火锅来表示对爱狗人士的尊敬。

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@scottcareyy

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我来解释一下历史原因。
古代中国是没有“国旗”这个东西的，甚至连现代的“国家名称”都没有，而是使用“国号”，例如：汉、明、清。旗帜则直接使用国号对应的文字，而不是特定的现代国旗。

在最后一个帝制王朝在与世界接轨之后，设计了自己的国旗，金色背景上是一条龙，但是这个摇摇欲坠的王朝很快被革命推翻了，所以这个旗帜没留下存在感。

下面就是重点，全国各地爆发的起义军使用了不同的新旗帜，其中实际上是有一些以太极为标志的旗帜，但他们不是最有影响力的起义军，所以其旗帜并没有成为最终的选择。

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@HideoSuzukzeh5 自认为不吃狗肉是更文明的象征吗？我今晚就去吃一顿狗肉火锅来表示对爱狗人士的尊敬

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@guttugohey 土耳其对中国来说是非常陌生的，没有什么关注度，中国人犯不着主动攻击土耳其，在中国根本没人讨论土耳其。吵架的导火索是土耳其民族主义者，泛突厥主义者认为中国的新疆/维吾尔族人属于土耳其。。。。。
停止吵架，让土耳其泛突厥主义者闭嘴。

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@gozlermnamlu 土耳其对中国来说是非常陌生的，没有什么关注度，中国人犯不着主动攻击土耳其，在中国根本没人讨论土耳其。吵架的导火索是土耳其民族主义者，泛突厥主义者认为中国的新疆/维吾尔族人属于土耳其。。。

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Why are Turkish and Chinese netizens arguing online? It’s a bit baffling, as almost no one in China really pays attention to Turkey; it is an unfamiliar country with a very low sense of presence.

Why are Turkish nationalists so obsessed with the narrative that "the Great Wall was built to defend against the ancestors of the Turks"? The Great Wall was not built by a single dynasty to fend off a specific ethnicity; it is a frontier defense engineering system spanning over two millennia, having been built and modified multiple times. The Göktürks were indeed once a threat on China's northern border, but they occupy a relatively small portion of the historical timeline. The Great Wall was not born because of the Göktürks, let alone built specifically to defend against the ancestors of modern Turks.

For some Turks who embrace this nationalist historical narrative, the Great Wall might first and foremost mean: ancient China once needed to construct an incredibly massive defensive line to repel "our ancestors." Consequently, the Great Wall morphs from an ancient Chinese historical heritage into an imagined proof of their national military glory. Behind this lies a very typical mechanism of nationalist storytelling: validating one's own historical might by proving that their ancestors once threatened a powerful civilization. In this narrative, the Great Wall serves as an extremely convenient symbol—it is massive, world-famous, and a defensive fortification. Simply interpreting the Great Wall as a structure built to fend off their ancestors generates a simple, intuitive sense of pride. However, from the perspective of military history, building defensive fortifications does not inherently mean one side is weak or fearful of the other. Empires establish border defenses to reduce border-control costs, manage populations and trade, and protect agricultural regions, not because they are entirely incapable of defeating the opposition in field battles.

Was ancient China a major rival in Turkish history? I have no idea, but in Chinese history, there is no such concept as "ancient Turkey." The Göktürks were just one of numerous northern nomadic groups, lacking any overwhelming presence in the history books.

The most hilarious part of this quarrel is this:Turkish nationalists treat the ancient conflicts between the two as a symbol of glory in their national history, while Chinese history views it merely as a brief episode among countless border conflicts over a long span of time. Meanwhile, ordinary Chinese people are completely oblivious to this whole "Turkish ancestors" business, creating the absurdly comedic dynamic of: "You see me as your historic rival, yet I barely know who you are."
Their imagined national epic is just a brief, unnoticed footnote in someone else's history.

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@ppbcsk 中国人既不讨厌土耳其人也不喜欢土耳其人，因为土耳其对中国人来说是一个陌生的国家。你别看在 X 上吵得这么激烈，其实在中国互联网上，这场吵架找不到什么信息，没什么人关注。

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@sahindeniz1919 我觉得泛突厥主义是没有前途的。如果不解决眼前的问题，再怎么回忆祖先的强大也是没有任何意义的。这玩意就是政府塞给人民的奶头乐。

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@Bassam_2029 @yoyonofukuoka 世界上传播得最快的是病毒。

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@uzerlik35 推荐算法制造的信息茧房会强化这种情况

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@boribread_s65g @_Milch_kaffee 中国也不是无神论，只是世俗派

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@niputaideadela @Stockavenger2 中国有武则天

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@bekirsbf 好问题，这是土耳其的民族主义导致的，土耳其的民族主义观中强行扯上了中国。
实际上中国人对土耳其并不了解，土耳其在中国是一个陌生且没有关注度的国家。

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@mkwitzke 北京的住宿在中国算贵的，显然你的钱是美元或欧元

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@angelinfrench 绝大多数人对土耳其的了解是仅仅知道名字而已，如果你随机问一个中国人对土耳其的了解，他可能会在犹豫一会之后回答“土耳其烤肉？”。总而言之，土耳其在中国不是一个很关注的话题。 虽然你看到在X上的土耳其用户和中国用户在互喷，但我非常负责任的说，在中国根本没人关注土耳其。