Woden's Monke

[Woden's Monke @WodensMonke]

@JoePaulGians What evidence is there for Genesis predating Plato? There are 0 references to it before 300BC.

The veil of illusion is explicitly separating the creator god from the Absolute. Not God and man. The Trinity isn't even Biblical and is never represented as a pillar.

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@JoePaulGians It doesn't line up with the Biblical chronology at all nor is it anywhere close the dating of the PIEs. If you have to change the Biblical chronology (which is supposedly your absolute truth) this much to fit with the genetics you're coping not making a serious argument.

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@JoePaulGians The point he makes in the videos I linked is that the Norse and Irish versions cannot be derivative of Timaeus because Timaeus excludes the triple aspect (as does the OT) but the Vedic sources include it.

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@JoePaulGians They are not perfect parallels, but yes Genesis is derivative of Timaeus while the other myths are not. There's no veil of illusion separating the Absolute and the demiurge in the OT but that is present all the others. The Trinity is not a pillar, there's no Christ.

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@JoePaulGians The myths in my OP all share the theological point of the veiled triple absolute (symbolized as a pillar) providing his image to the demiurge type god who then creates the world in the likeness of the image. (Timaeus is not explicit the triple aspect, but it's elsewhere in Plato)

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@JoePaulGians Every man post flood descends directly from Noah, correct? So there should be only a single haplotype in all men after Noah since they are his direct male descendants. But this is not the case.

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@JoePaulGians And there's no genetic bottle neck at the time the Biblical chronology places the flood. If the entire population was wiped out except for one family this would be obvious in the genetics.

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@JoePaulGians The genetic data alone refutes your claims about Japheth being the ancestor of PIEs since there are multiple Y haplotypes in the oldest samples. If they all descended from a single man there would be only one haplotype.

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@JoePaulGians Whereas my premises are backed by secular linguistics, archeology, genetics, and history. And the comparative mythology requires no assumptions about the truth of the myths themselves, only that one can recognize that the myths are conveying the same theological meaning.

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@JoePaulGians Sure, you can add your function, but what is it? If it's just "we assume the Bible is the truth and authority on human history" you don't have an argument or evidence for the claim. You're just asserting things based on your assumption.

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@AnselmDescartes @illyriusx Love is a daimon, not the Good. Desire is a defect, if the Good were to desire that would mean it was lacking in something.

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@Acolyte83349490 @illyriusx They are necessary

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@aionaktaion Is the . a typo or an esoteric tetractys lore drop?

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@JoePaulGians Therefore, we can conclude the ancestral population had the same theological point. We do not need to assume anything about the truth of the various myths for this argument. We're just comparing if the same theological points are present.

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@JoePaulGians Here's what I mean with my examples:
1. Norse, Irish, Greek, Vedics all descend from a common ancestor, the PIEs.
2. Each branch has a surviving myth showing the same theological point.
3. The branches separated ~5000 years ago

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@JoePaulGians So do you have an argument or evidence for the claims or what?

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@JoePaulGians Then go ahead and make your case for how the Philosophers presaged Christ or that Christian metaphysics & theology goes back 5000+ years.

https://t.co/IoqslHsySr

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For example, Christianity's denial of metempsychosis and the preexistence of soul make Plato's theory of knowledge impossible. To say Plato prefigured Christianity would be to say that he prefigured the denial of his entire metaphysics.

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There is a core theology and metaphysics which goes back to the proto-Indo-Europeans

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@Aelthemplaer Gylfaginning, Fintan and the Hawk of Achill, Plato's Timaeus, and Shatapatha Brahmana all telling variants of the same demiurge creation myth.

https://t.co/dK9P0uGPUT

https://t.co/RpjM3vASam

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For example, Christianity's denial of metempsychosis and the preexistence of soul make Plato's theory of knowledge impossible. To say Plato prefigured Christianity would be to say that he prefigured the denial of his entire metaphysics.

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"The Philosophers presaged Christ" is complete nonsense and relies on deliberately misinterpreting the Philosophers, ignoring their actual metaphysics, and definition of Justice because of one line in Plato's Republic where they deliberately mistranslate "impaled" as "crucified".