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That’s a misread. The authors saying “more data is needed�� is standard scientific caution, not doubt about the result. The Abusir study already found continuity, and it explicitly notes later increases in Sub-Saharan admixture after Roman times that’s admixture, not population replacement. Finding additional SSA input doesn’t change the core conclusion: ancient Egyptians weren’t replaced, and modern Egyptians retain the same foundational ancestry. More data refines the picture; it doesn’t reverse it.
This is one real dataset with real methods. You can’t reject it unless you show counter data. Continuity isn’t proven by only one DNA study it’s proven by 5,000 years of uninterrupted settlement, language evolution, skeletons, genetics, and demography, none of which show population replacement in Egypt.
A study can be locally valid without being civilization wide. I’m saying dismissing it as “just 3 mummies” is wrong.
So the real question is: why are you turning “not representative of all Egypt” into “the data doesn’t count at all”? That leap isn’t supported by the study or by logic.
You’re mixing up detail with weight.
Nuclear DNA gives more detail per person, but 3 people can’t define a population. That’s why the population picture comes from the 90 mtDNA samples.
The 3 nuclear genomes don’t drive the study they just check that the larger mtDNA pattern isn’t contradicted. If the study were really “based on the 3,” the other 90 wouldn’t matter at all.
More people > more detail from a few. That’s basic logic, not spin.
Nuclear DNA does carry more detail per person, but that does not mean the study was “based on the 3.”
Think of it this way: 3 people can’t represent a population, but 90 people can. That’s why the population pattern comes from the 90 mtDNA samples, and the 3 nuclear genomes are just a cross-check to see if they point the same way.
If the 3 mattered more than the 90, the authors would have thrown the 90 out but they didn’t. The 3 simply didn’t contradict the larger dataset.
It wasn’t 3 mummies. DNA came from 90 individuals. These are mummies that are thousands of years old 😂😂😂Whether they were excavated in 1900s or 2000s is irrelevant to their genetics. The DNA comes from ancient individuals, not from the year they were found. 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Shifting the argument from “Egyptian government” to “they were excavated in the 1900s” doesn’t identify any problem with the data, methods, or authentication. That’s just cherry-picking / moving the goalposts, not a scientific critique.
“It’s all from 3” false.
The study screened 151 mummies, recovered 90 complete mtDNA genomes, and 3 nuclear genomes. The population signal is already present in the 90 mtDNA samples; the nuclear genomes serve as an independent validation, not the basis of the conclusions.
“mtDNA is unreliable” incorrect.
mtDNA is standard in ancient DNA research because it preserves better in hot climates and retains population structure. It is not “women’s DNA”; it is genetic data with well characterized mutation rates, routinely used to infer population affinity through haplogroups and frequency patterns across ancient datasets.
If you’re rejecting this, cite peer-reviewed genetics literature showing mtDNA is invalid for population history or provide better ancient Egyptian genomes. Assertions without evidence don’t overturn data.
@Finnz722@egyptomuseum dismissing Abusir as “3 mummies” or a “foreign site” is false. The study analyzed dozens of individuals from a documented Egyptian cemetery, selected because DNA survived. Again your claims are false. It sampled 151, recovered mtDNA from 90 individuals.
@Finnz722@egyptomuseum Abusir was led by Max Planck ancient-DNA scientists (Krause, Schuenemann) not Egyptian gov. Your false Claims about a “foreign colony” or political agenda have no archaeological evidence. All your claims are false with no evidence… cope harder.
This is wrong. Abusir was not “foreign mummies” but a local Egyptian burial site used over centuries, and one well-documented site is scientifically sufficient to test continuity versus replacement, which is exactly what the data shows. No peer-reviewed ancient DNA study demonstrates that Egyptians were replaced by anyone. Claiming “southern = foundational” is ideology, not archaeology: Egyptian civilization developed in Egypt, across Upper and Lower Egypt, while Nubians were neighboring peoples with their own history. Admixture does not make a population “foreign.”
Show one credible study proving replacement.
@Finnz722@egyptomuseum Abusir wasn’t “dismantled” it’s a peer-reviewed ancient-DNA study with authenticated damage patterns and clean-lab controls, showing population continuity in Egypt and supported by multiple independent genomic studies, none of which demonstrate replacement.
Go read for a change instead of repeating ignorance.
Schuenemann, Hollfelder, Tishkoff, Verdu, Sirak peer-reviewed genetics, not vibes. Ancient & modern Egyptians show continuity.
Funny how people with no connection to the civilization are the loudest trying to claim it 😂 typing online won’t change facts! Cope harder!