@algekalipso@AbstractFairy i like the idea of calling it "reclaiming happiness" from proxyheading, i.e. from the default way of letting external people/things control your pleasure/worth button and exert power over you
"post-scarcity joy" sounds great too. pleasure isn't zero sum
@nickcammarata naive take but at some point, on top of so much equanimity, isn't there also so much bliss/pleasure-of-the-good-kinds that the suffering cost of rendering it is negligible and the integral wildly positive? or is that already factored in?
@algekalipso waiting eagerly for the tpot isekai planecrash fanfanfic with an alt-Keltham hellbent on teaching from his median-citizen-is-awakened Civilization and qualia-terraforming Golarion
@QiaochuYuan > ah, i can’t do these things because of my trauma
yep, shield against overachievement porn and earlier unrealistic expectations/demands from self/others
hard to tease out what's pursuit of intrinsic motivation and what's conformity/obedience/submission, so when in doubt resist
@algekalipso@Aella_Girl@ESYudkowsky@nickcammarata@digitalairair Can't speak for EY but planecrash was positive update to me on openness to that. Lots on metacog boosting, annealing via exotic states, less thought path flinching / self-deception via integration
Else, still none better imo to design Law-for-AINKE training to lev possible gains
@algekalipso@Aella_Girl@ESYudkowsky@nickcammarata@digitalairair Glad you like it. Guessing prob ≥10% of big EA-adjacent funds/donors taking the chance on a good proposal, given current attention to human aug including edgier WBE, adult gene editing etc. Is there data on raw cog perf gains on less turbulent brains?
@Aella_Girl Keltham thinks it a good idea to give kids (7 and up iirc?) LSD/Owl's Wisdom in planecrash, so I'm still holding up hope that "helps mind refactor beliefs and preferences into higher correlation-with-reality and coherence" could be worth it but very dependent on what to anneal to
@nickcammarata if significant part is training mental algorithms/art (skill/fluency), obsess over feedback loops
shorter cycles, higher bandwidth, more accurate. (buy|hire people to develop) granular assessment tools, software. scott h young or his referral to PM. get tight loop on tacit too
so @esyudkowsky also thinks that [properly done] awakening-like neural annealing + metacognitive self-modification is an important node in the good paths of the human augmentation tech tree?
> Keltham: "Yes. Being a little more like a god. You know somebody asked in class, what makes someone have the potential to become a Keeper? It's that. It's the thing Owl's Wisdom boosts."
@algekalipso perfume, jewelry, can't wait for fashion, architecture arcs. think/hope you're going to own aesthetics and fund groundbreaking consciousness research with luxury items 💎💪👏
once we figure out even basic neurotech I think they’ll look back at us like we were barely alive tbh, if such vastly better ways of being are available by attending to our breath for thirty minutes, I can’t imagine what we’ll find once we have non-completely-dumb tools
Holistic hedonic eudamonic optimization for self, family, friends, and community in tandem with focus on moonshot research iniciativas to massively reduce suffering and achieve new heights of wellbeing. I think the upgrade, EA 2.0 is in a healthy baby state :-)
See my charity recommendations (pinned twit)
Also see Fractal University @TylerAlterman and the Metta work of @tasshinfogleman
in post-dath ilan where the median citizen has iq 143 _and_ stream entry, basedline has 1-2 syllable words that unambiguously cut the state space of consciousness beautifully at the joints
our words, and really our concepts, ideas, and ontologies, do such a bad job at mapping to what we experience that we don't even have a good word for that contraction. We have to use ancient words like tanha, which is itself widely misunderstood. The situation is rather tragic
At some point, I decided people who seemed much happier than me but had funny explanations for WHY they were happy, were still special people to interview about HOW they became happy.
And boy did I interrogate some of them.
One of the best decisions I've ever made.
Awesome! Aesthetic chills are not epiphenomenal. I think they are both a reflection of integration/entrainment quotient and a cause of further integration/entrainment quotient.
They provide a common "vibrational currency" for different parts of your being to synch up with each other. And this help parts that are not in speaking terms (e.g. subagents/trauma blockages) to talk for once.
See Neural Field Annealing to go much deeper about how vibrational currencies in the body work: https://t.co/wd8dMFauqB
And MEJ's a Future for Neuroscience where entertainment quotient is introduced by him: https://t.co/s5oT9TOVIt
@algekalipso > A validated database of multimedia known to elicit chills responses (ChillsDB)
so proud of our world for having this
also where's the torrent plz seed