@bunnyyshane You don't have to feel anything for him; only acknowledge he's actively dismantling his toxic habits and taking full accountability for his pastโwhich is commendable. Shane and Troy are fundamentally different people, shaped by vastly different upbringings.
@simhollander@bunnyyshane You're conflating two different things. Labelling Troy "racist" for not challenging Kent is an oversimplification. He was a coward & an enabler who compromised his integrity to fit in, but bystander guilt doesn't fabricate a new prejudice absent from his actions. Nuance matters.
@simhollander@bunnyyshane Who's excusing anything? He's fully aware that what he did was wrong and is committed to making positive changesโwhile he made some homophobic remarks, I wouldn't say he is genuinely racist or misogynistic, and he never targeted Shane with racism, publicly or in private.
@dark_selly Honestly, it comes across as pretty disrespectful, but that's par for the course with the AMC crowd. And it's not just limited to the cover art eitherโthey use pictures from the show on the inside as well. As if that somehow relates to what's actually in the book, lol
@connormoles1 The fanbase is a mess on all sides; that's just a sad fact, but Shancels are uniquely predictable. No matter what, they pivot to tired talking points, whose trump card is always treating Hudson/Shane as perpetual victims in order to shut down critique and attack any detractors.
Madonna getting eaten alive for releasing a sex book and album in the early 90s only to then clap back and double down with this anyway. Thatโs why sheโs always mother.
@tonedeafandh0t The real loser here is you, turning something fairly trivial into a major issue. Your narrative is unwavering: Shane's forever the eternal victim, and Ilya always the relentless abuser. Seriously?! It's just funny how Shane emerges as the perfect partner in every scenario.
@tonedeafandh0t Oh, myโsomebody said something mildly snarky! If your fragile constitution genuinely reads this as mean, you are kind of pathetic. Shane knows Ilya is messing with him, but heaven forbid 'poor little defenseless baby' Shane goes two seconds without a swarm of fans defending him.
The endless pearl-clutching over Troy is already tired. Heโs hardly irredeemableโhis entire arc centres on accountability, personal growth and navigating a path to redemption. Flaws aside, he strives to improve and create positive change. Characters evolve just like real people.
Every time thereโs Troy discourse on this app I am reminded that his Stanโs really do not want to sit with who his character is:
Troy is someone who canonically, in order to save his own skin, chose to hurt, belittle, mock, and demean other people
@dosamean That's precisely what they want. Ilya shouldn't even breathe without Shane's explicit permission, totally stripped of autonomy. Friendship and safe spaces? Banned. Just a dependent prop accepting whatever crumbs Shane deigns to offerโthe only person of consequence in their world.
@assweetascandy8@Hdjfbfbfjir What makes you think it's disingenuous? Honestly, we've beaten this dead horse into the ground. Re-hashing it for the hundredth time changes zero; it's a broke record at this point. Beyond just venting, what are you actually hoping to achieve here?
@assweetascandy8@Hdjfbfbfjir Look, Iโd love to see him rocking the book's signature curls as much as the next fan, but let's be realโHudsonโs hair isn't book-accurate either, and nobody's throwing a tantrum about that. The book and show differ, and that's okay. Besides, he still looks hot either way.