@emilioluna554@bruh73615279 @wWario09 - harvest heavily outspeeds act 3, (refer to the images), this is objective
- Three freeze is limited to 5 m, act 1 and 2 are limited to 50 m, harvest has a range of about 3 km to 5 km
- three freeze doesn't damage enough to the summon harvest and doesn't transfer via harvest.
@k0opler13@bruh73615279@darkctan@joestar_2604 Every example of a stand being affected by three freeze was the stand itself being affected by three freeze then transferring that to the user
This was directly shown because sheer heart attack is a sub-stand and echoes had to pick between the real stand and the sub-stand
@k0opler13@bruh73615279@darkctan@joestar_2604 Start Platinum was damn near unaffected by the heavy damage sustained by Jotaro, same goes for a killer Queen when he was fighting josuke same goes for a josuke in that exact same fight
Stands barely if ever take damage from the user, only the opposite is emphasized
@k0opler13@bruh73615279@darkctan@joestar_2604 https://t.co/v0JOvvrkwe
video proof of him summoning hundreds of harvest (while half dead) as a distraction to get away, killer Queen couldn't keep up
Concentrated strikes on vital areas mitigate the weakness of an individual harvest (SOMETHING HE ALSO SAID IN THAT SCENE)
@k0opler13@bruh73615279@darkctan@joestar_2604 Kira blew up both the the body and soul of shigechi with that coin so he was injured and exhausted yet, he could still use harvest to hide himself with leaves
Act 3 is not capable of dealing body and soul explosion level damage.
@k0opler13@bruh73615279@darkctan@joestar_2604 The ambulance scene was killer Queen being affected and transferring that to kira
Harvest does not operate like a single body stand, freezing the user would not affect the 500 other bodies because echoes can only affect one thing at a time.
@k0opler13@bruh73615279@darkctan@joestar_2604 I didn't say he wouldn't take damage because we've seen how that worked for giorno what I am saying is that it wouldn't affect harvest (the actual damage dealer)
@k0opler13@bruh73615279@darkctan@joestar_2604 sheer heart attack is explicitly a substand it is not a different entity than killer Queen because it is literally killer Queen's left hand
It is automatic but not disassociated, it can still affects the user
Bohemian Rhapsody is dissociated
Rolling Stones is disassociated
@k0opler13@bruh73615279@darkctan@joestar_2604 What does echoes even do? Three freeze wouldn't kill before harvest slashes his eyes, throat, nose, arteries, tongue and ravage his insides
Mind you that would only take like 30 harvest out of 500
@k0opler13@bruh73615279@darkctan@joestar_2604 Colony stands transfer damage equal to the size and volume of that stand, It does not work vice versa, as shown by sex pistols, 3 freeze can't feasibly affect harvest
the ambulance scene was three freeze weighing the trigger hand specifically
@k0opler13@bruh73615279@darkctan@joestar_2604 Either you hit the individual harvest or you hit the user
Either you weigh down kira's left hand or you weigh down kira and the left hand bomb is unweighted
Don't introduce non sequitur
@k0opler13@bruh73615279@darkctan@joestar_2604 The post said where does he stop not who does he stop
As in who does he not beat,
Harvest has a range, sustainability, cumulative firepower, and speed advantage over echoes, so in at least 60% more circumstances, it wins
@k0opler13@bruh73615279@darkctan@joestar_2604 Exactly, harvest had kira dead to rights, but because shigechi didn't know a coin was a bomb he panicked and lost
But ultimately in a battle of wills harvest has an absolute advantage against echoes of all stands
@k0opler13@bruh73615279@darkctan@joestar_2604 Harvest is a long range multi-unit stand, it functions absolutely nothing like killer Queen
3 freeze requires either a hand motion or a punch, it's not instantaneous and would be overwhelmed by harvest
Koichi doesn't just look at something and 3 freeze activates