@FrowningTable For the people saying we need better answers - can you give an example? We have torch the tower, DoJ, get lost, into the flood maw, shoot the sheriff. I mean why do you want exactly? Better question, what are you even trying to kill?
@Mengu09@death_snow Is there something wizards is systematically doing, intentionally or not, to make this combo so consistently powerful? Like is it just that when you take a mana off every creature and draw spell things get nuts?
You can debate the power level of Standard's banned cards all day long, but what they have in common is that they are all incredibly un-fun to play against. WotC is getting very good at designing these kinds of cards apparently.
The B&R explanations, especially around proft's were pretty concerning. It seems clear that WotC simply doesn't have the man power (person power?) to keep up with such a gigantic format.
@fritterbaker@Mengu09 Dimir is a midrange deck? So is vivi arguably. And control regularly does okay - far from unplayable. Red is able to consistently beat control lists with main deck authority and helix.