@RealLifeFakeWiz@MandoUnchained Hey @RealLifeFakeWiz, it's been several months & still no announcement. Any updates on this? Is your Discord community still up? I cant find any working invites. I'd like to join the community, wherever it's at.
@realDrTT Okay okay okay okay okay so I did a thing. I had to stop when there was about 45 mins left, but here are my insights! I hope you can read my handwriting 😅 if you can’t, I can just type it out in the comments
For those of you who do not understand what I am doing, let me spell it out.
I believe there is a serious threat on the horizon for the Christian West: the growing political alliance between godless radical Marxism and radical Islamism—two movements that disagree profoundly with one another, yet increasingly find common cause against the institutions, traditions, and moral foundations of Western Christianity.
Self-proclaimed socialists are winning elections across this country. Across Europe, demographic, political, and cultural changes are placing enormous pressure on societies that have already largely abandoned their Christian foundations.
They are not shy about their goals. Marx famously hated religion, and the global Jihad marches on.
And meanwhile, what are Christians doing?
We are fighting one another.
Catholic against Protestant. Protestant against Catholic. Nicene Christian against Latter-day Saint. Endless arguments about who is sufficiently Christian, whose baptism counts, whose theology is heretical, and who is allowed to stand beneath the banner of Christ.
These questions are not meaningless. Doctrine matters. Truth matters. I am a Roman Catholic because I believe Catholicism is true, and Christian unity cannot ultimately mean pretending our genuine theological disagreements do not exist.
But there is a difference between disagreement and enmity.
We have become so accustomed to fighting one another that we risk failing to recognize when we have common cause — and a common enemy who is growing ever stronger.
That is part of why I, as a Roman Catholic, have reached out to members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I have spent time listening to them, reading the Book of Mormon with them, asking difficult questions, explaining Catholicism, praying with them, and trying to understand what they actually believe rather than what their opponents tell me they believe.
Furthermore, the LDS are a natural ally to the cause of liberty — and if you cannot understand that, you do not know the first damned thing about them.
But, no. I have not become a “Mormon.” But I have come to regard them as friends and fellow followers of Jesus Christ with whom I share far more than our increasingly secular culture would like either of us to admit.
And I want the same attitude extended more broadly.
Catholics. Orthodox. Protestants. Latter-day Saints. And everyone who sincerely confesses Jesus Christ as Lord:
We need to stop treating one another as enemies.
We can argue theology without hatred. We can evangelize without contempt. We can believe that another Christian tradition is profoundly mistaken without mocking the people who belong to it.
Because whatever our disagreements, we should recognize that a society in which LDS are no longer free to be LDS will lead to a society where Catholics can no longer be Catholic. When Catholics are no longer free to be Catholic, it will eventually not be safe for Protestants either. And a society that drives Christianity entirely from public life will not stop to congratulate us for having won our theological arguments against one another.
Christ prayed that His followers “may all be one” (John 17:21).
Perhaps we should start taking that prayer seriously.
I am not asking anyone to abandon doctrine. I am asking us to abandon contempt.
I am not asking for theological relativism. I am asking for Christian solidarity.
I am not asking Catholics to stop being Catholic, Protestants to stop being Protestant, or Latter-day Saints to stop being LDS.
I am asking people who confess Christ as Lord to start acting like it.
We cannot allow our disagreements to turn us into enemies while forces openly hostile to Christianity grow stronger around us.
The Body of Christ has spent long enough fighting with itself.
It is time to work together.
I feel very strongly about this.
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@Chris94136@bomunhinged I'm the friend who initially asked the question. I was looking for a verse like this that says one way or the other, but I couldn't find it. So thank you. 🫡
I believe creedal Christians are as wrong about doctrine as they believe I am.
I cannot fathom having the kind of venom so many have shown in the past 24 hours.
Why? Why is it so important that doctrinal distinctions be made? Why is it so critical that we be excluded from your club of acceptable Christianity?
What does our inclusion threaten and why is that threat so dire that it can’t be overlooked with any degree of allowance?
I don’t care if you don’t think we’re real Christians. I do care if that distinction is more important to you than mourning this tragedy and calling out evil.
My friends are doing a great job ratio-ing and owning all of the "Christians" who decided to use the tragedy in Michigan as an occasion to build their "but-Mormons-aren't-Christians" brand. I will continue to retweet my favorite ownages, as this is important work, and I wish I had it in me to really join in whole-heartedly, but my mood is mostly sort of somber right now.
Somber over the tragedy, of course. But also that people who ought to understand after all these years who the real enemy is still don't get it. No, we don't care if they think we're Christians. We do care that they can't let the bodies cool down before countersignaling us, that they can't let Trump denounce the attack without "well, akshually-ing" him. That's the sort of spitefulness that we'll probably never be able to overcome, that makes it that much more difficult to defeat the forces that want all of us, Protestants, Catholics, Latter-day Saints, etc., dead.
I actually do feel sorry for them, and before yesterday I would have meant that in a Trumpian "They cannot help the fact that they were born f***ed up!" sort of way, but now I mean it. They do not get it, they will never get it, they do not know how to win, and they are useless as allies to those who do know how to win.
It's like when your kid is beefing with another kid and you find out that the other kid is on like 5 medications and an IEP. "Sorry, I know you don't like how he's behaving, but he's got way more problems than you and if you can't get along with him, you should really just avoid him entirely. It's not something you can fix." You can actually see this take the wind out of your kid's sails, pity and anger don't really mix. And so it is with me now.
An important part of LDS theology is that we believe people can accept the truth of the gospel after death. I think this has a real practical effect of making us less likely to try to condemn other people for their beliefs. When I see a truly good Christian who disagrees with me about theology, I don't have to convince myself that God is sending them to hell. I sort of assume that if I have the theology right and they don't, then sooner or later the same humility and godliness that makes them a good person will also lead them to the truth. And while I might make the effort to make that "sooner," I don't treat this as a duty which overrules basic decency and kindness. Perhaps some Christians think they are doing us a favor by refusing to mourn with those that mourn, that it's more important to save us from an eternal burning. Ah, well. They have their reward.
I will close by saying that I see our non-LDS friends who *are* mourning with us, who defend us, and I cannot tell you how much this means to me and to my people. You are an example of true Christianity.
Imagine
You’re in church, singing hymns to praise Jesus.
You partake of the sacrament that symbolizes His flesh and blood.
You’re listening to someone speak, centered on Jesus and His Atonement.
Then you’re shot and killed and people online say you weren’t really Christian.
Our hearts are heavy with sorrow. Millions of us are mourning the passing of our beloved Prophet and President, Russell M. Nelson. He was a dear friend and a cherished leader.
His timeless teachings continue to guide us and help us find comfort amid suffering, especially in the wake of the recent violence aimed at members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Michigan this past Sunday.
The awful tragedy that took place in Grand Blanc, Michigan, on September 28, reminds us of our sacred responsibilities as followers of Jesus Christ. We mourn with our members who have lost loved ones, and we join in prayer for comfort with others around the world who are suffering from similar tragedies.
We all seek answers and understanding in the wake of trauma, shock, and grief. We are grateful to all who are reaching out with service, prayers, and words of support during this difficult time.
May we all remember the truth that each of us is a beloved child of God. Our Savior Jesus Christ, through His infinite Atonement, overcame death and gives us the joyful assurance that each of us will be gloriously resurrected.
On behalf of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I extend this expression to the family and friends of those affected by this recent tragedy and all others who may be experiencing loss and heartache at this time.
Michael Knowles coming in with the correct take on Christians using the opportunity of a massacre at an LDS chapel to point out how you don’t think we’re real Christians. @michaeljknowles
I testify that Christ lives, Joseph Smith was called by God to restore The Church of Jesus Christ, and the Book of Mormon is another testament of Jesus Christ. I know this is true in my soul, and no one can change that.
This is Mormon. His story is in the book which bears his name. He is largely responsible for compiling the ancient record of his people, from which the Book of Mormon was translated. And (among many other inspired things) he said this:
“Therefore repent, and be baptized in the name of Jesus, and lay hold upon the gospel of Christ, which shall be set before you, not only in this record but also in the record which shall come unto the Gentiles from the Jews, which record shall come from the Gentiles unto you [the remnant of his own people].
“For behold, this is written for the intent that ye may believe that [the record of the Jews—the Bible], and if ye believe that, ye will believe this also; and if ye believe this ye will know concerning your fathers, and also the marvelous works which were wrought by the power of God among them.
“And if it so be that ye believe in Christ, and are baptized, first with water, then with fire and with the Holy Ghost, following the example of our Savior, according to that which he hath commanded us, it shall be well with you in the day of judgment. Amen.” (Mormon 7:8-10)
The Book of Mormon is not the Bible. Mormon (and many other prophets of his centuries-long civilization) knew that there would be “The Bible” someday, and it would be a record that came from the Jews. His people had early portions of the Old Testament which they’d brought with them from Jerusalem. But their own record was about themselves, not the happenings among the Jews.
The Book of Mormon is not called such because we are “the Mormons.” They called us Mormons because of the book. Mormon was a tremendous disciple of Jesus Christ, so it is no particular slander, in itself, to be called by his name. But enemies of “the Mormons” chose that moniker to create a cultural divide between Latter-day Saints and other Christians. It was a pejorative meant to ostracize and even destroy the early church.
The Book of Mormon is not another Bible. It’s a different book which emphatically affirms and reinforces the Bible. The Book of Mormon supports the Bible as two pillars of the same gateway keep the keystone in place. We don’t all have to agree on doctrine. But it’s important that we know each other correctly and honestly.
“We talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins.” (2 Nep. 25:26, the Book of Mormon)
Prophetic words from President Nelson:
“You will have days when you will be thoroughly discouraged.
So pray for courage not to give up!
You will need that strength because it will become less and less popular to be a Latter-day Saint.
Sadly, some who you thought were your friends will betray you.
And some things will simply seem unfair.
However, I promise you that as you follow Jesus Christ, you will find sustained peace and true joy.
As you keep your covenants with increasing precision, and as you defend the Church and kingdom of God on the earth today, the Lord will bless you with strength and wisdom to accomplish the impossible.”
President Nelson 2016
https://t.co/CgL7nxjPb6
It was legal to murder members of my church in Missouri all the way up until 1976.
It seems today that many people *still* think it should be legal, or at least that it’s not as tragic as when others are murdered.
Original text scan of Missouri Executive Order 44 for context.
My heart is heavy today. It’s heartbreaking to see so many question whether members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are Christians, especially as we mourn. I know that Christ lives, and I believe in His atonement. My prayers are with everyone in Michigan 🤍