@ShadWulf@blessedpeasant_ I can respect that response, but that’s my point, what tools are you using to determine if an entity exists external to our reality. How are you going about validating or invalidating that proposition.
@ShadWulf@blessedpeasant_ You’re trusting in something you say doesn’t exist, to give you accurate truth about what exists & you still can’t grasp your dilemma.
@ShadWulf@blessedpeasant_ Relying on immaterial concepts to interpret reality than turning around & saying nothing immaterial exists is a never ending self refutation.
@ShadWulf@blessedpeasant_ I just demonstrated it. Your very disagreement with me in this conversation is you trusting immaterial logical axioms to lead you to the objective truth about reality. So does your disagreement exist?
@ShadWulf@blessedpeasant_ Relation is what proves the non-physical laws exist. You can’t see the pathagorean theorum, but you can apply that concept to reality for a consistent result.
@ShadWulf@blessedpeasant_ We can also see this with physical laws. Like physics, thermodynamics. We didint invent the reality of physical relationships & the laws that govern them (like math) we discovered it, as something that already exists in reality, we just categorize the reality with symbols.
@ShadWulf@blessedpeasant_ Yes
Premise: math is discovered, not invented. Math is eternally true regardless of whether a human is around to think of them.
Conclusion: Because math remains true across all possible scenarios, it exists in a timeless, non-physical reality.
@ShadWulf@blessedpeasant_ I already explained that, simply deductive reasoning, formal proofs, then observing their tangible effects on the physical world.
@ShadWulf@blessedpeasant_ False, it’s actually the most popular metaphysical argument of all time.
Whether denying its existence makes our understanding of the universe illogical or incomplete. Like math makes sense b/c we can see how it has positive utility in reality.
@ShadWulf@blessedpeasant_ deductive and transcendental arguments, whether denying its existence makes our understanding of the universe illogical or incomplete.
@MDH_UAR@blessedpeasant_ B/c you’re using immaterial concepts, like reason & logic to interpret reality, yet you’re claiming “we shouldn’t want to” evaluate the immaterial, so that’s a perpetual self refuting loop.