Nutella

Astrophysics Major (I’m a nerd)
Open to civil discussion ❤️

Anti-woke | Anti-MAGA | Atheist

I will be wrong sometimes. Feel free to correct me!

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[Nutella @AntosteIIa]

We need to clear this up.

Abortion is not “okay” *because* they have a disability.

It’s “okay” because they are a fetus.

A disability doesn’t justify the killing itself. It’s simply a reason that applies under the already justified act of killing a fetus.

[Kristan Hawkins @KristanHawkins]

Just an FYI:

The argument that it's okay to kill your child because they have a disability is a terrible and grotesque fallacy.

At any point in life, your child could become disabled. That possibility doesn't diminish their humanity or their worth.

A child's value is not determined by a diagnosis. Being smaller doesn't make them less human.

And if you're unwilling to love your child regardless of the circumstances, diagnoses, or challenges that may come, then you shouldn't be creating children in the first place.

[Nutella @AntosteIIa]

@Austin_Mathew_ @SnagsBuck Regarding the miracle of the sun;

[Nutella @AntosteIIa]

@Austin_Mathew_ @SnagsBuck Thanks for the source suggestions, I’ll have a look into them when I have time.

I took a screenshot of my response to avoid flooding the thread:

I also made an argument here based on the assumption that you’re not Catholic. So I apologise if that doesn’t apply to you.

[Nutella @AntosteIIa]

@Austin_Mathew_ @SnagsBuck … word, rather than an empirical fact. Although I may be ignorant, so I’ll grant that it’s true for now.

As for the crucifixion and resurrection;

I wouldn’t doubt that Jesus’ crucifixion occurred. However, I remain entirely unconvinced of the resurrection.

[Nutella @AntosteIIa]

@Austin_Mathew_ @SnagsBuck Fair.

And that is true. If the resurrection were to be universally settled as a fact, then I would be a fool to contest with the bible’s claims.

“He also predicted his death and resurrection”.

I do view this as an assertion that entirely relies on the bible’s…

[Vik @V1ktron]

@LifeNewsHQ Murder requires a person to have been murdered.
It is the action of taking one's right to exist once they have begun existing. A fetus has no functioning brain to host a conscious/person before week 20; there's no person that exists to have been murdered.

[Nutella @AntosteIIa]

@LifeNewsHQ I understand. Could I ask why the intentional killing of a human being in the instance of self defence is not called murder, relative to abortion?

[Nutella @AntosteIIa]

@Austin_Mathew_ @SnagsBuck He claimed that he was the son of God.

[Nutella @AntosteIIa]

@MuhammadAlZutt @RealRobinToupin @Just_ebube Yes. Conception is when human life begins.

Abortion involves the terminating of this human life.

So yes. To be specific, I believe the capacity for suffering perception is what gives a subject moral relevance.

[Nutella @AntosteIIa]

@Austin_Mathew_ @SnagsBuck May you present or lead me to this evidence surrounding the claims made regarding Jesus of Nazareth?

For context, I do not deny Jesus as a person who once lived. He can still have existed, without contradicting my disbelief in God.

[Nutella @AntosteIIa]

@AmericanXicano @LifeNewsHQ … smoking. Does that mean treatment should be prohibited?

[Nutella @AntosteIIa]

@AmericanXicano @LifeNewsHQ … casual contexts. But formally, a human before birth is referred to as a “fetus”.

I agree, abortion suggests killing the human developing in the womb. Why is this bad?

Pregnancy is a “consequence”, or a “risk” of sex. But respiratory disease is a consequence/risk of…

[Nutella @AntosteIIa]

@johnmark77777 @David_Kicinski Understandable. It’s most likely that the words I’m expressing don’t align with my internal idea of morality.

But I doubt it’s because of contradictions within my belief system. I may just be bad at expressing it.

I appreciate it too! Take care

[Nutella @AntosteIIa]

@MuhammadAlZutt @RealRobinToupin @Just_ebube You’re treating unjust as equal to “not compatible with my moral framework”. And therefore it is objectively immoral.

I personally do not believe it is unjust, as I have a differing underlying moral premise that dictates what I consider to be immoral.

[Nutella @AntosteIIa]

@johnmark77777 @David_Kicinski I do not believe in an overarching objective “truth”. I do consider the meanings we apply as humans to be incompatible with how the universe sees itself.

So there is an objective truth within our human experience. Just not given by the universe itself.

[Nutella @AntosteIIa]

@MuhammadAlZutt @RealRobinToupin @Just_ebube Please explain, how so?

[Nutella @AntosteIIa]

@johnmark77777 @David_Kicinski … that should be applied equally among all beings). Just not objective moral truths (moral truths inherent to the universe itself.)

I don’t align with a moral relativist position.

I would consider myself a moral universalist + moral anti-realist.

[Nutella @AntosteIIa]

@johnmark77777 @David_Kicinski Ahh I see. No, that’s not what I was intending to say.

I’m accepting that my moral premises that I do believe to apply universally may not be relevant or considered in the future.

I’m biased by the situation I’ve grow up in. But I do believe in universal moral truths (morals…

[Nutella @AntosteIIa]

@MuhammadAlZutt @RealRobinToupin @Just_ebube I don’t call it murder, because I don’t consider it unjust or unlawful.

I know it is killing a fetus. I’m not denying that a death is involved.

[Nutella @AntosteIIa]

@MuhammadAlZutt @RealRobinToupin @Just_ebube I mean murder itself, as a definition. Not an example.