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@thavirgo313 @dhaevian Do you know which state they were in?
Do you know if the command was lawful?
When he asked for a supervisor they had to stop engaging with him and just call one per their own policy!
They refused and try to find ways to escalate

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@AmoasahPat84067 @truiycr7 @meet__lawrence @TAA793 @ElSelmano @MakiTheSalafi in which religion can women lead prayer?

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@Jefe1731966 @n0st4lgik @beet_kon It's basic knowledge for muslims, you are other motives

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@MoronMining For Claiming to be the Messiah!!! He never claimed to be God

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@AbuHafsah1 Under Islamic rule, the church remained for centuries; we know what happened later!
You can manufacture your enemies if you want

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@solomonapenja @DavidDdnohades @mls_kp @muslimorthodoxy He is not a prophet but you take your new covenant from him?

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@gringorugger9 @7signxx Imagine 2 billion people trying to explode

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@MemoirHistories @VladTheInflator It’s actually countries, if you want to move the goalposts to cities we are in the thousands

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@MagaGrunt1 @grok in this video this pastor is saying in islam black people dont go to heaven; isnt there a narration where the prophet ask Bilal a black slave why is he earing him in front of himself in heaven, and what his he doing to be in front of him in paradise?

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@Hadalifeb4this_ @sneako I know you guys have comprehension issues; "As IF" as meaning!
If that were severed, death would be in seconds, so both ways this doesn't work!

Please stop being stupid

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@lifeofoche @GbengaWemimo @MuminOladipo You will still go to jail to a long time
Educate your own daughter

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@Dawid96xD @JancioYT Pes06 is what killed the franchise!

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@David_Truthman @Moussa_medlemin @abdulafandii Dont you believe the three person of the trinity aren’t the same?

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@Diego1340574 @mls_kp @muslimorthodoxy If you were Shia, you know the believe in the 12 Imams. Name the 12th Imam and explain the concept of Ghaybat to me, and tell me why you stopped believing in it.

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@RealNatno47 @mls_kp @GodLogic_GL @muslimorthodoxy What was the theme of the debate?
Also what was Lybiano thesis at the beginning?

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@camhigby @CelebiKrause @sneako @muslimorthodoxy So, a country with 100+ genders has a better opinion?

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Do you guys want debates or an Islam trial?
If your real goal is a trial, then state that from the go!
@camhigby’s issue was that he wanted @muslimorthodoxy on defense the entire time. That’s exactly why he framed the theme that way: “Does Islam condone child marriage?”
Not “Is child marriage wrong?” just Islam on trial, One-way critique.

Libyano did respond to all his claims. But Cam narrowed the topic so much that he himself couldn’t have added new substance; then when Libyano tried to hold Cam to the same standard, Cam said it was “out of scope.” WHAT?!

Let me break down why Cam lost the substance and why his framing was dishonest.

1. The topic was a prosecution, not a debate.
Cam chose a motion that only puts Islam on trial. He thought he would never have to defend his own worldview. When Libyano asked, “What about Christianity, Catholicism, Aquinas, other laws (Delaware law)?” Cam said, “I’m not Catholic, I don’t study it, it’s outside the topic.”
That’s not debate. That’s a one-way attack platform.

2. Libyano answered every point Cam made.

Quran 65:4: Libyano correctly noted that “not menstruated” ≠ “prepubescent.” A girl can be pubescent before menarche. Cam later conceded this. That alone destroyed his 65:4 argument.

Aisha at 6/9: Libyano accepted the ages but argued the operative standard was physical capability, not age. Marriage contract ≠ consummation. Consummation requires physical readiness.
Bukhari’s chapter: Libyano translated the Arabic and showed “young children” can mean young marriageable girls, not necessarily pre-pubescent.
Four schools: Libyano cited Malik, Shafi’i, and consensus that a girl incapable of intercourse is not handed over. Cam’s own Shafi’i quote actually confirmed the physical readiness standard.

3. Cam’s hadith backfired.
Cam quoted the hadith about Aisha being fattened up with cucumbers and dates; it backfired.
That hadith shows her family was waiting for physical readiness, not counting birthdays. They prepared her body before sending her. That supports Libyano’s framework, not Cam’s.

4. The “child” definition is anachronistic.
Cam’s entire case relies on calling Aisha a “child” at 6 and 9. But the modern concept of a “child” as anyone under 18 is a recent invention. The “teenager” is a 20th-century construct.
In Jewish tradition, adulthood is 12 for girls. In classical Islamic law, it’s puberty (bulugh). In Delaware, the age of consent was 7 in the late 19th century. Early marriage was a worldwide practice, so part of natural law.
So Cam was judging a 7th-century practice by 21st-century definitions. That’s presentism.

5. The consistency dodge.
Libyano’s strongest move was the consistency argument: “If Christianity, Catholicism, Aquinas, and the church historically allowed the same thing, why single out Islam? If you accept it in your worldview, why is it an issue for Islam?”
That’s a tu quoque, yes; but in a moral debate, consistency matters.
Cam refused to engage. He said it was outside the topic.
But it’s not outside the topic. It’s the whole point. If Cam can’t condemn his own tradition for the same standard, he can’t condemn Islam. By refusing to answer, he conceded the consistency point by default.

Bottom line:
Cam didn’t want a debate. He wanted an Islam trial. He framed the topic to keep Libyano on defense, then dodged every attempt to apply the same standard to his own worldview.
Libyano answered his points, exposed the anachronism, and landed the consistency hit.
If you want a trial, say so from the start. Don’t pretend it’s a debate.
@camhigby, next time, bring a symmetric motion or admit you’re just here to attack.
@muslimorthodoxy great job as always
#Debate #Islam #ChildMarriage #CamHigby #Libyano

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@dablack002 @HardenBetter_ @AmoasahPat84067 So polytheism doesn't exist?

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Nice cutting parts belle
Here is the full convo , and what he actually said :

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Baptism in the New Testament isn’t described as conversion. It’s described as a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins (Mark 1:4; Luke 3:3), and people are told to be baptized for the forgiveness of sins and to wash away their sins (Acts 2:38; Acts 22:16). That practice goes back to John and Jesus’ disciples, so it wasn’t invented for conversion.