Cameron Williamson

Disciple of Christ
Husband and Father
American

In that order

[Cameron Williamson @AtlasKenobi]

@mormonsNpapists @ThoughtfulSaint None of your frameworks by which you view my faith are correct. Therefore, you are incapable of making any meaningful observations about categorizations of my faith.

Do some good-faith reading about what I believe before coming back to incorrectly tell me what I believe.

[Cameron Williamson @AtlasKenobi]

@mormonsNpapists @ThoughtfulSaint Still nope. Come back to me when you actually want to understand. I understand that these conversations are not optimal on X. X is for what you're doing--arguing with people and talking past each other.

[Cameron Williamson @AtlasKenobi]

@mormonsNpapists @ThoughtfulSaint Do you believe in a universal bodily resurrection?

[Cameron Williamson @AtlasKenobi]

@mormonsNpapists @ThoughtfulSaint I really am done, brother. Read my message again. I have never contradicted those 4 brethren, nor the scriptures, nor logic.

Maybe change your bio from "building bridges" to "willful misunderstandings."

[Cameron Williamson @AtlasKenobi]

@mormonsNpapists @ThoughtfulSaint Exaltation is earned--there are many, many things the Lord expects of His people in order for them to realize/learn their full potential. Obviously.

But you're so caught up on a logical impossibility that I don't see how I can help you further. Good luck.

[Cameron Williamson @AtlasKenobi]

@mormonsNpapists @ThoughtfulSaint My brother in Christ, you have tried to assert that a rite/sacrament/ordinance--one of the literal "works" prescribed by the scriptures to receive God's grace, is actually somehow not a work because it's actually just a gift and it can't be both. Forgive me for not believing you.

[Cameron Williamson @AtlasKenobi]

@mormonsNpapists @ThoughtfulSaint We believe that all mankind will be resurrected with immortal, glorious bodies. That is perfectly free for everyone by the grace of Christ.

Exaltation is also only available through the grace of Christ, but it requires His people to learn the lessons He has in store for them.

[Cameron Williamson @AtlasKenobi]

@mormonsNpapists @ThoughtfulSaint Let me refer you to my original thesis: despite the mountains of public information about my theology, you seem to continue to willfully misunderstand and misrepresent us. I have tried to walk you through it as patiently as I can, but I have little patience left for the games.

[Cameron Williamson @AtlasKenobi]

@mormonsNpapists @ThoughtfulSaint If it's something you are required to do, it's a work. I don't think you're going to find a lot of traction trying to split those hairs.

We don't earn salvation in the sense you would like us to believe it. Continuing to assert it doesn't demonstrate good faith on your part.

[Cameron Williamson @AtlasKenobi]

@mormonsNpapists @ThoughtfulSaint Not in any sense that God "owes" us wages, no. Not any more than He has promised us blessings and He is faithful to His word.

Do you agree that God is bound by His word? That when he makes a commitment, He follows through?

[Cameron Williamson @AtlasKenobi]

@mormonsNpapists @ThoughtfulSaint I can't agree that Baptism isn't a work; I have demonstrated to you, and you have agreed, that it is necessary. It's an action. It's a rite.

It really sounds like you're intentionally not understanding what I'm saying, which doesn't reflect well on your brand of building bridges

[Cameron Williamson @AtlasKenobi]

@mormonsNpapists @ThoughtfulSaint I'm perfectly willing to answer your questions; I thought this conversation was about you trying to better understand the LDS perspective?

Is baptism a work? Absolutely.
Is baptism a gift? Absolutely.

There is nothing to prevent it from being both.

[Cameron Williamson @AtlasKenobi]

@mormonsNpapists @ThoughtfulSaint If we do what God says, according to the covenants and promises He has made with His children, and He therefore blesses us, are you trying to say that puts Him in our debt? I would never assert that God "owes" me anything, though I absolutely proclaim that He is true to His word.

[Cameron Williamson @AtlasKenobi]

@mormonsNpapists @ThoughtfulSaint You're regressing in our conversation, and it sounds like you're trying to put space between us where there is very little--but in other doctrine there is a ton.

If God requires me to "cash the check" in order to receive His gift, that invalidates the check as a gift?

[Cameron Williamson @AtlasKenobi]

@mormonsNpapists @ThoughtfulSaint There it is again, assigning to us the way we view something.

No, we absolutely see it as a wonderful gift, as a chance to dedicate ourselves to remembering and serving Jesus Christ for our whole lives. Why would you try to boil it down to a "chore?"

[Cameron Williamson @AtlasKenobi]

@mormonsNpapists @ThoughtfulSaint What is the difference? I believe we mutually established that it is something God requires of us?

[Cameron Williamson @AtlasKenobi]

@mormonsNpapists @ThoughtfulSaint It sounds like we mean it in basically the same way you do, if you also believe God makes demands of His children, and that we must obey if we intend to receive the fullness of the gifts He would like to give us.

Do we have some common ground here?

[Cameron Williamson @AtlasKenobi]

@mormonsNpapists @ThoughtfulSaint Okay, so we have established that there are actions God requires of us to receive salvation--great, we are on a similar page.

Can you see why LDS would think you're attempting to make a distinction without a difference between a work and receiving a gift?

[Cameron Williamson @AtlasKenobi]

@mormonsNpapists @ThoughtfulSaint So you are content with your argument boiling down to semantics, attempting to assign your own meaning to the words of Elder Moyle, and therefore misrepresent everything I have said to you today?

Are you attempting to build bridges or just satisfy your own cognitive dissonance?

[Cameron Williamson @AtlasKenobi]

@mormonsNpapists @ThoughtfulSaint Are you required to be baptized to receive the fullness of the grace of our Lord?

It's not just going for a swim or standing in the rain, by the way. What does Baptism mean, and why would the Lord require it of us?