Nathan McConnell

[Nathan McConnell @BRBC_Professor]

@doubt_thomas729 @TruthHolder2023 Look, I get it: you’re indoctrinated with LDS lies that go beyond what the Bible actually teaches. You’ve been “trained” to talk in circles. Hopefully someday you’ll see the true light of the glorious Gospel of Christ. I don’t expect a chain of posts on X will change your mind

[Nathan McConnell @BRBC_Professor]

@doubt_thomas729 @TruthHolder2023 The issue with LDS is their claim of (1) authority, and (2) new revelation. There is no biblical support for the LDS position that an unbroken line of divinely-appointed, authoritative Apoatles was part of God’s plan for the Church.

[Nathan McConnell @BRBC_Professor]

@doubt_thomas729 @TruthHolder2023 Paul viewed himself distinct from the 12. He is the lone exception to the rule of “only 12 apostles.” Jesus chose 12. Matthias replaced Judas (in accordance with OT Scripture). Paul was divinely appointed. No other “apostle” appears to have had authority as Paul & the 12 did.

[Nathan McConnell @BRBC_Professor]

@doubt_thomas729 @TruthHolder2023 1 Corinthians 15
8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
Again, only two.

[Nathan McConnell @BRBC_Professor]

This approach is fallacious. It’s a loaded question because there are two questions embedded in one: 1. Is there a “correct” denomination; 2. If so, which one is it? Plus, it’s an oversimplification of a complex issue.

[David @DavidFischer]

Christians Only:

Which denomination is the correct one?

A. Protestant
B. Lutheran
C. Catholic
D. Southern Baptist
E. Seventh Day Advent
F. None of the above. The Body of Christ should not be divided.

[Nathan McConnell @BRBC_Professor]

@doubt_thomas729 @TruthHolder2023 Again, LDS has no grounds for their concept of ongoing apostleship in the narrow sense of the word. Were there other apostles? Yes (as I’ve said). By direct, divine appointment and giving new revelation? No. You claim a broad category (“apostles”) to mean narrow (“Apostles”).

[Nathan McConnell @BRBC_Professor]

@doubt_thomas729 @TruthHolder2023 Again, Paul is the exception to the rule (of only 12). The calling of Matthias was (according to Peter) in accordance with OT Scripture. No other apostles appointed by direct divine revelation appear in Scripture. The LDS position is unsupported by the biblical evidence.

[Nathan McConnell @BRBC_Professor]

@doubt_thomas729 @TruthHolder2023 1. Jesus chose only 12.
2. Matthias is the proper replacement for Judas (Acts 1)
3. Paul is an exception to the rule and is never counted “with” the 12 (1 Corinthians 15:1-8). He is NOT “one of the twelve” (Acts 5:13).

[Nathan McConnell @BRBC_Professor]

@doubt_thomas729 @TruthHolder2023 As I have said, Paul is the exception to the rule. Also, he is not listed “with” the twelve, but always distinct from them.

[Nathan McConnell @BRBC_Professor]

@GuyInco15542744 “I do not think that word means what you think it means.” In its technical/theological meaning, the Holy Spirit’s revelation refers to inspired Scripture. If you’re using it colloquially to mean his leading, guidance, etc. don’t insert it into a theological debate.

[Nathan McConnell @BRBC_Professor]

No, the Bible does not teach that.

[James Divis @j_divis]

The Bible teaches the Church of Jesus Christ must have Apostles and the Priesthood.

There is only one church that has Apostles and the Priesthood today.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is that church.

@Ch_JesusChrist
#JesusChrist

[Nathan McConnell @BRBC_Professor]

@doubt_thomas729 @TruthHolder2023 Paul called himself “one born out of due time,” and “not worthy to be called an apostle.” He was hardly a “replacement” for James. And, others were called “apostles,” but did not operate with the same authority of the twelve (Acts 5:12-14).

[Nathan McConnell @BRBC_Professor]

@GuyInco15542744 Many of these verses do not fit the context of direct, divine revelation. The leading of the Spirit is not equivalent to revelation. The prophecy of Joel 2 awaits fulfillment in the tribulation. The wisdom to navigate trials fruitfully is mediated by the Spirit.

[Nathan McConnell @BRBC_Professor]

Cherry-picking and lacking essential context.

[Maliq @MasterMaliq]

Tell them the Old Testament forbids eating pork, they'll say, "That doesn't apply to us."

Tell them the Old Testament contains laws about slavery, they'll say, "That was under the Old Covenant."

Tell them about the other laws they don't follow, they'll say, "Jesus fulfilled the Law."

Tell them about tithing, suddenly the Old Testament is still binding.

Sometimes I wonder if Christians actually believe the Old Testament still applies, or only the parts that keep the offering basket full.

[Nathan McConnell @BRBC_Professor]

@LarryTietjen2 Not the way Mormons think of it/explain it

[Nathan McConnell @BRBC_Professor]

@GuyInco15542744 1 Cor. 13 implies that direct divine revelation will cease, and both testaments warn against adding to Scripture. Also, even miracles were ceasing by the end of the apostolic era as is clear in the NT. Heresy & contradictions don’t constitute new divine revelation.

[Nathan McConnell @BRBC_Professor]

@GuyInco15542744 Yes, but as I said, other Scriptures explain the limitation on apostles, the cessation of prophetic revelation, etc. The function of those gifts is “teaching,” to one extent or another. Therefore, the apostles’ and prophets’ teaching ministers to us today (in the Bible).

[Nathan McConnell @BRBC_Professor]

@TruthHolder2023 @GuyInco15542744 The reply is nonsense. The Greek word is past tense (aorist). That’s the inspired word. The fact that God stopped providing “new” revelation is clear from other scriptures. Conflating the ceasing of new revelation & God’s immutability shows how little you understand of both

[Nathan McConnell @BRBC_Professor]

@TodAshby The Father draws through the clear preaching of the Gospel (“the word of reconciliation”), which assumes men can respond. That God was “in Christ reconciling the world unto himself” refers to Christ’s death as the basis of reconciliation, in contrast to his imputing sins

[Nathan McConnell @BRBC_Professor]

@GuyInco15542744 @TruthHolder2023 Evangelists and pastor-teachers are not revelatory gifts (meaning, they do not communicate “new” revelation), but hortatory gifts (they exhort the saints to conform to the teachings of the apostles and prophets).

[Nathan McConnell @BRBC_Professor]

@TruthHolder2023 @GuyInco15542744 It is implicit. Unless you are suggesting that the mere presence of men with those titles forms the foundation? Christ is the cornerstone: all of the apostolic doctrine flows from him/points to him to form the foundation.