@ekstasis_crane Homosexuality can have a traditional character to it as well, but even that has a hierarchical power dynamic, at which point, it is just vain carnal desire and no real love
@Vero_Dei Kind of a bad example what with the institutional exclusion of blacks in america and all but i get ur point. Still, I feel we're just getting started, things like these start at the local level and build up from there
@Vero_Dei I dont know where you got the 60 yrs part from we certainly havent had communities here since the 1960s, we've had a notable presence here since like 90s at the earliest.
@Vero_Dei When the irish and italian catholics first came over all they could do was also just build churches. Our mass migrations happened during times of extreme tension, the war on terror automatically made us the other even in our own communities. I think you fan give some courtesy.
@Vero_Dei Ur being harsh, the muslim diaspora is considerably younger than all of those communities. These are institutions that take generations to properly put into full gear, not to mention we simply are not playing on the same field as the rest of these guys.
@diotimapunished@moentherlant What were the oh so important contributions of goths that reducing it down to pornography ruined it, shit was degenerate from the start