Striking overlaps emerge:
Foundation and stability: In both traditions, the tortoise bears or anchors the world/order, literally the earth in Native stories, symbolically the cosmic/heavenly realm in the Greek statue.
Longevity and endurance: A shared cross-cultural trait of the tortoise (slow, long-lived, carries its “house”).
Cosmic/universal symbolism: Turtle shells in sacred geometry traditions (including some Indigenous interpretations) mirror celestial patterns; the Greek version ties into Ourania’s heavenly aspect.
Creation from water/chaos: Native earth-diver myths parallel broader ancient motifs of emergence from primordial seas (echoing Aphrodite’s sea-foam birth).
Plutarch’s specific commentary appears in his essay Coniugalia Praecepta (Advice to Bride and Groom), part of the Moralia, as precept 32.
Loeb Classical Library: “Pheidias made the Aphrodite of the Eleans with one foot on a tortoise, to typify for womankind keeping at home and keeping silence. For a woman ought to do her talking either to her husband or through her husband, and she should not feel aggrieved if, like the flute-player, she makes a more impressive sound through a tongue not her own.”
Older English: “Phidias made the statue of Venus at Elis with one foot upon the shell of a tortoise, to signify two great duties of a virtuous woman, which are to keep at home and be silent. For she is only to speak to her husband, or by her husband.”
Precept 33: Advises that wives should submit to husbands (not as property, but as the body is governed by the soul—with goodwill and affection). Husbands, in turn, should rule gently rather than tyrannically. The tortoise symbolism reinforces this hierarchy of roles.
My thoughts: We have since evolved, for the better or for the worse is still to be determined. I feel freedom over mind, body and soul are paramount. So, I'll leave it up to the individual couple, but I feel any sort of submission for either party should be voluntary. Not determined by a philosopher from hundreds of years ago. Take what works today and leave the rest.
@kekius9 Is it self evident in everything if we are willing to look.
What shouldn’t exist does exist. Some believe it accidental.
I think therefore I am, though we cannot define thought.
Are we the evidence, that truly hasn’t discovered itself? Is this the next evolutionary leap?