![FabioDeMasi's tweet photo. Ps. @BenjaminBeutler hält an seiner falschen Darstellung fest und wirft dabei offensichtlich zwei Dokumente durcheinander (wie ich hier im Folgendem nachweise). Ich bezog mich auf eine Passage aus einer E-Mail an Condoleezza Rice, die Burns in seinem Buch zitiert. Die Depesche vom Februar 2008, die Lavrov wiedergibt und die Beutler zitiert, ist aber ein anderes Dolument. Das kann man hier in einem Artikel nachlesen, der das Buch von Burns bespricht. Beutler versucht davon abzulenken indem er mir unterstellt ich würde Burns absprechen, dass dieser die Unterstützung der Ukraine einfordert. Das habe ich aber gar nicht getan:
„When he was political officer at the U.S. Embassy in Moscow in 1995, Burns reportedthat “hostility to early NATO expansion is almost universally felt across the domestic political spectrum here.” When in the late 1990s President Bill Clinton’s administration moved to bring Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic into NATO, Burns called the decision premature at best, and needlessly provocative at worst. “As Russians stewed in their grievance and sense of disadvantage, a gathering storm of ‘stab in the back’ theories slowly swirled, leaving a mark on Russia’s relations with the West that would linger for decades,” he wrote.
After serving various posts in the Middle East, including ambassador to Jordan, in 2005 Burns finally got the job he had been eyeing for years: U.S. ambassador to Russia. From thorny trade issues to the conflict in Kosovo and missile defense disputes, he had his hands full. But the issue of NATO expansion was a source of constant friction.
It came to a head in 2008, when officials in the Bush administration were pushing to extend a NATO invitation to Ukraine and Georgia at the Bucharest NATO Summit. Burns tried to head it off. Two months before the summit, he penned a no-holds-barred email to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, parts of which he quoted in his book.
“Ukrainian entry into NATO is the brightest of all redlines for the Russian elite (not just Putin). In more than two and a half years of conversations with key Russian players, from knuckle-draggers in the dark recesses of the Kremlin to Putin’s sharpest liberal critics, I have yet to find anyone who views Ukraine in NATO as anything other than a direct challenge to Russian interests,” Burns wrote. “At this stage, a MAP [Membership Action Plan] offer would be seen not as a technical step along a long road toward membership, but as throwing down the strategic gauntlet. Russia will respond. Russian-Ukrainian relations will go into a deep freeze…. It will create fertile soil for Russian meddling in Crimea and eastern Ukraine.”
In addition to this personal email, he wrote a meticulous 12-point official cable to Secretary Rice and Defense Secretary Robert Gates, which only came to light thanks to a WikiLeaks diplomatic cable dump in 2010.
Dated February 1, 2008, the memo’s subject line, all caps, could not have been more clear: NYET MEANS NYET: RUSSIA'S NATO ENLARGEMENT REDLINES.
In no uncertain terms, Burns conveyed the intense opposition from Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and other senior officials, stressing that Russia would view further NATO eastward expansion as a potential military threat. He said that NATO enlargement, particularly to Ukraine, was “an emotional and neuralgic” issue but also a strategic policy issue.
“Not only does Russia perceive encirclement and efforts to undermine Russia's influence in the region, but it also fears unpredictable and uncontrolled consequences which would seriously affect Russian security interests. Experts tell us that Russia is particularly worried that the strong divisions in Ukraine over NATO membership, with much of the ethnic-Russian community against membership, could lead to a major split, involving violence or at worst, civil war. In that eventuality, Russia would have to decide whether to intervene—a decision Russia does not want to have to face.”
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#Wagenknecht gründet Spendenverein für Wagenknechtpartei. Wen die Millionärin mit ihrer One-Woman-Show anzieht, wenn sie über "Lifestyle-Linke", "unkontrollierte Massenmigration" und Gaza als "Freiluftgefängnis" redet habe ich für @ndaktuell aufgeschrieben
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Holy shit! Springer-Millionär @ulfposh, der manisch vor steuerfinanzierter Zivilgesellschaft und „Deep State“ warnt, lässt seine Amazon-Selbstverlag-Publikation von der steuerfinanzierten FDP-Stiftung @FNFreiheit bewerben.
Holy shit! Springer-Millionär @ulfposh, der manisch vor steuerfinanzierter Zivilgesellschaft und „Deep State“ warnt, lässt seine Amazon-Selbstverlag-Publikation von der steuerfinanzierten FDP-Stiftung @FNFreiheit bewerben.
@Hallaschka_HH @ulfposh @FNFreiheit Gerne.
„Deep State“ (tatsächlicher Schattenstaat wie in Türkei-Militärdiktatur oder als rechtsextreme Verschwörungstheorie) und die deutsche Demokratie/Zivilgesellschaft im Jahr 2025 in einen Zusammenhang setzen ist…!!!
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Ehsan Z., Dissident aus dem #Iran, wurde aus Berlin nach Zypern abgeschoben, wo er sofort inhaftiert wurde. Er soll von dort trotz Lebensgefahr in den Iran abgeschoben, wie er unserem Autor @BenjaminBeutler aus dem Gefängnis heraus berichtete. https://t.co/W65rHqeGTX
Auf dem Arm ist eine Uhr eintätowiert mit der Uhrzeit als er vom Tod seiner Mutter erfuhr: „Sie starb in Freiheit.“ Wenn er singe, lebe sie weiter. „Ma jamás muere!“ Das Tattoo am Hals? „Da ist eine Narbe, mir wollte jemand die Kehle durchschneiden“ Meine Reportage für @ndaktuell
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Ps. @BenjaminBeutler hält an seiner falschen Darstellung fest und wirft dabei offensichtlich zwei Dokumente durcheinander (wie ich hier im Folgendem nachweise). Ich bezog mich auf eine Passage aus einer E-Mail an Condoleezza Rice, die Burns in seinem Buch zitiert. Die Depesche vom Februar 2008, die Lavrov wiedergibt und die Beutler zitiert, ist aber ein anderes Dolument. Das kann man hier in einem Artikel nachlesen, der das Buch von Burns bespricht. Beutler versucht davon abzulenken indem er mir unterstellt ich würde Burns absprechen, dass dieser die Unterstützung der Ukraine einfordert. Das habe ich aber gar nicht getan:
„When he was political officer at the U.S. Embassy in Moscow in 1995, Burns reportedthat “hostility to early NATO expansion is almost universally felt across the domestic political spectrum here.” When in the late 1990s President Bill Clinton’s administration moved to bring Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic into NATO, Burns called the decision premature at best, and needlessly provocative at worst. “As Russians stewed in their grievance and sense of disadvantage, a gathering storm of ‘stab in the back’ theories slowly swirled, leaving a mark on Russia’s relations with the West that would linger for decades,” he wrote.
After serving various posts in the Middle East, including ambassador to Jordan, in 2005 Burns finally got the job he had been eyeing for years: U.S. ambassador to Russia. From thorny trade issues to the conflict in Kosovo and missile defense disputes, he had his hands full. But the issue of NATO expansion was a source of constant friction.
It came to a head in 2008, when officials in the Bush administration were pushing to extend a NATO invitation to Ukraine and Georgia at the Bucharest NATO Summit. Burns tried to head it off. Two months before the summit, he penned a no-holds-barred email to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, parts of which he quoted in his book.
“Ukrainian entry into NATO is the brightest of all redlines for the Russian elite (not just Putin). In more than two and a half years of conversations with key Russian players, from knuckle-draggers in the dark recesses of the Kremlin to Putin’s sharpest liberal critics, I have yet to find anyone who views Ukraine in NATO as anything other than a direct challenge to Russian interests,” Burns wrote. “At this stage, a MAP [Membership Action Plan] offer would be seen not as a technical step along a long road toward membership, but as throwing down the strategic gauntlet. Russia will respond. Russian-Ukrainian relations will go into a deep freeze…. It will create fertile soil for Russian meddling in Crimea and eastern Ukraine.”
In addition to this personal email, he wrote a meticulous 12-point official cable to Secretary Rice and Defense Secretary Robert Gates, which only came to light thanks to a WikiLeaks diplomatic cable dump in 2010.
Dated February 1, 2008, the memo’s subject line, all caps, could not have been more clear: NYET MEANS NYET: RUSSIA'S NATO ENLARGEMENT REDLINES.
In no uncertain terms, Burns conveyed the intense opposition from Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and other senior officials, stressing that Russia would view further NATO eastward expansion as a potential military threat. He said that NATO enlargement, particularly to Ukraine, was “an emotional and neuralgic” issue but also a strategic policy issue.
“Not only does Russia perceive encirclement and efforts to undermine Russia's influence in the region, but it also fears unpredictable and uncontrolled consequences which would seriously affect Russian security interests. Experts tell us that Russia is particularly worried that the strong divisions in Ukraine over NATO membership, with much of the ethnic-Russian community against membership, could lead to a major split, involving violence or at worst, civil war. In that eventuality, Russia would have to decide whether to intervene—a decision Russia does not want to have to face.”
https://t.co/Koy7CDQU33
![FabioDeMasi's tweet photo. Ps. @BenjaminBeutler hält an seiner falschen Darstellung fest und wirft dabei offensichtlich zwei Dokumente durcheinander (wie ich hier im Folgendem nachweise). Ich bezog mich auf eine Passage aus einer E-Mail an Condoleezza Rice, die Burns in seinem Buch zitiert. Die Depesche vom Februar 2008, die Lavrov wiedergibt und die Beutler zitiert, ist aber ein anderes Dolument. Das kann man hier in einem Artikel nachlesen, der das Buch von Burns bespricht. Beutler versucht davon abzulenken indem er mir unterstellt ich würde Burns absprechen, dass dieser die Unterstützung der Ukraine einfordert. Das habe ich aber gar nicht getan:
„When he was political officer at the U.S. Embassy in Moscow in 1995, Burns reportedthat “hostility to early NATO expansion is almost universally felt across the domestic political spectrum here.” When in the late 1990s President Bill Clinton’s administration moved to bring Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic into NATO, Burns called the decision premature at best, and needlessly provocative at worst. “As Russians stewed in their grievance and sense of disadvantage, a gathering storm of ‘stab in the back’ theories slowly swirled, leaving a mark on Russia’s relations with the West that would linger for decades,” he wrote.
After serving various posts in the Middle East, including ambassador to Jordan, in 2005 Burns finally got the job he had been eyeing for years: U.S. ambassador to Russia. From thorny trade issues to the conflict in Kosovo and missile defense disputes, he had his hands full. But the issue of NATO expansion was a source of constant friction.
It came to a head in 2008, when officials in the Bush administration were pushing to extend a NATO invitation to Ukraine and Georgia at the Bucharest NATO Summit. Burns tried to head it off. Two months before the summit, he penned a no-holds-barred email to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, parts of which he quoted in his book.
“Ukrainian entry into NATO is the brightest of all redlines for the Russian elite (not just Putin). In more than two and a half years of conversations with key Russian players, from knuckle-draggers in the dark recesses of the Kremlin to Putin’s sharpest liberal critics, I have yet to find anyone who views Ukraine in NATO as anything other than a direct challenge to Russian interests,” Burns wrote. “At this stage, a MAP [Membership Action Plan] offer would be seen not as a technical step along a long road toward membership, but as throwing down the strategic gauntlet. Russia will respond. Russian-Ukrainian relations will go into a deep freeze…. It will create fertile soil for Russian meddling in Crimea and eastern Ukraine.”
In addition to this personal email, he wrote a meticulous 12-point official cable to Secretary Rice and Defense Secretary Robert Gates, which only came to light thanks to a WikiLeaks diplomatic cable dump in 2010.
Dated February 1, 2008, the memo’s subject line, all caps, could not have been more clear: NYET MEANS NYET: RUSSIA'S NATO ENLARGEMENT REDLINES.
In no uncertain terms, Burns conveyed the intense opposition from Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and other senior officials, stressing that Russia would view further NATO eastward expansion as a potential military threat. He said that NATO enlargement, particularly to Ukraine, was “an emotional and neuralgic” issue but also a strategic policy issue.
“Not only does Russia perceive encirclement and efforts to undermine Russia's influence in the region, but it also fears unpredictable and uncontrolled consequences which would seriously affect Russian security interests. Experts tell us that Russia is particularly worried that the strong divisions in Ukraine over NATO membership, with much of the ethnic-Russian community against membership, could lead to a major split, involving violence or at worst, civil war. In that eventuality, Russia would have to decide whether to intervene—a decision Russia does not want to have to face.”
https://t.co/Koy7CDQU33](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GPAP3nOWIAAOLfy.jpg)
@FabioDeMasi #Burns beschreibt für die US-Regierung die Sicht von RU. Es lässt sich nirgends eine Aussage finden, in der Burns eine mögliche NATO-Mitgliedschaft der UKR als „Fehler“ bezeichnet. Das behaupten Sie. Und zeichnen im #ZDF damit das falsche Bild, selbst CIA sei gegen UKR in NATO.
@FabioDeMasi Im Buch von 2019 paraphrasiert Burns exakt die Aussagen aus der verlinkten Depesche. Er gibt die geschürte Paranoia von Putin, Lavrov und Eliten weiter. Burns ist ein Verteidiger der ukrainischen Souveränität, will mehr Geld& Waffen. Er ist kein Kronzeuge für Ihre Argumentation.
@robinhaseler Dass die Mehrheit der AfD-Wähler keine Rechtsradikalen seien und Populisten wählen wegen der bösen Ampel/Migration. #gemeinsamerNenner
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