We deliver one our promises ๐ฅฐ
New unified $BSV Transaction UX. Also submissions open for apps. This is a major upgrade. We now index all e-cash and we provide more insightful UI ๐คฉ
Thankful always to @BitailsAPI who has reliably served data since the beginning ๐
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Yes, the thing is using indexers or overlays doesnโt mean you are not committing to the SPV terms.
Note that you canโt create a transaction only by block headers. To do that you have two options:
1. Storing the data required for creating the transaction.
2. Asking a third party for that.
So, she can ask nodes or overlay services for the data.
@cryptorebel_SV@BitcoinSVtrain@tohonestycom@RealCoinGeek@ElectrumSV Regarding the block headers, yes! You need the nodes but for most needs you either need to query an overlay services or query a node providing an overlay service(because that is not the role of a node unless you develop it as an extra service)
Exactly! Disregarding the role of indexers for a user friendly experience is far from a practical solution. In theory you can be restrict about the SPV, users being accountable for their private keys/transactions, etc. but in action you need to use other third parties if you donโt want to ruin the UX. Best you can do is not to rely on one single service.
Anyone thinking otherwise is dreaming and canโt deliver what they promise.
@Centbee I believe your problem was access to WOC Utxo validation. I had the same problem and had to use Bitails. Used Bitails for Utxo and WOC for broadcasting. Works even under BSV stress test when WOC seem to use a cache link.
I recommend checking out the UTXO manager, there is a high chance that things fall apart at that point(if you havenโt checked already of course). We have seen many dropped transactions due to bad UTXO management(using one indexer to fetch the UTXOs which sometimes are already spent and another to broadcast or as a load balance). If possible, try using Bitails to fetch UTXOs and see how that makes a difference(or doesnโt).
@kurtwuckertjr@shruggr@Bitcrash4@MineLikeAnApe One particular indexer full of unknown transactions(seen by no peers) was WoC. We know that because we were asked to rebroadcast the transactions but the inputs were already spent.
@kurtwuckertjr@shruggr@Bitcrash4@MineLikeAnApe Actually it was the indexers problem in providing a UTXO that the nodes considered spent and rejected the transaction. In this case, the indexerโs mempool kept the tx and updated the UTXO-Set based on accepting the tx and you can see how messy this gets from here.
@shruggr@kurtwuckertjr@Bitcrash4@MineLikeAnApe Some pf those transactions sitting on one single indexer were not being mine simply because they were invalid due to invalid UTXO usage(already spent, parent invalid, etc.)
We broadcasts transactions periodically till they are mined, but yesterday we had some issues regarding this which should be resolved now. That being said, if you are using another indexer as UTXO management, there is always a possibility that this happens since some indexers are not providing a clean and updated UTXO set and your tx gets dropped due to network policies.
@kurtwuckertjr@Bitcrash4 Have you noticed some miners not broadcasting all the transactions right after they receive them from clients?(seeing some transactions in a block from other miners which have not been propagated before)