@TokimeDaily Do you think Hikaru would fling Chiharu into the water like her doppel animation if they were near each other during one of the summer events
@HashionDiscord This is just the exact same thing as the warp, there's really no difference here. Two endless + immaterial places formed of people's thoughts and such, needing greater power to affect for a summary. I see no reason why there's a "vague" gap at this point besides just rejecting it
@HashionDiscord That's what I have been saying near the entire time. Mentioned places are just that superior, that space and dimensionality is imposed as it is otherwise formless with how far beyond it is. Things need to be actualized in the ascendant plane through meaning and power of ones will
@HashionDiscord I can't tell how this is still a "vague" gap and not enough. If the idea of "outer" is location x is materially quantifiable but location y is not to a point where you cant quantify the gap then the Vex Network and Ascendant Plane are textbook definitions of it just like the Warp
@HashionDiscord The gap is many times treated as maximally beyond what has been said. Everyone runs on power from the Gardener and Winnower (even Vex in a way). Yeah the CG's are the realms, it's just that's similar to throne worlds being a creators self extension of their creation and power
@HashionDiscord This is just contradictive since true, but both everything mentioned do not run on being dimensional at all in ways that are like what you say, and the warp gets similar too with the warp having parts that are CGs self extensions like how throne worlds are creator self extensions
@HashionDiscord Inside Destiny is why it matters. The gap is very blatantly in need of a whole new level beyond (mentioned sword logic with being ascendant). There is no dimensionality involved; it's just beyond, with stacking of "formless" things instead. Even VexNet is called past the universe
@HashionDiscord That's the thing though, it's no longer stacking. Ascendant Plane and VexNet are beyond all the dimensions of the universe that are called uncountable and infinite. There are also the paracausal leylines for the Ascendant Plane as an in-between, so it has a proper disconnection
@HashionDiscord At that point the warp does not have a qualitatively higher gap either since basic technology reaches it, compared to the ascendant plane needing you to be recognized as ascendant of an existence by a power open to all (sword logic). It just explicitly needs an undefinable power
@HashionDiscord Ascendant Plane and VexNet are called similar (also have similar statements). VexNet is said to have limitless planes that are infinite, and that go higher with multiple branches to said infinities. Ascendant Plane is also entirely paracausal so it opens up everything about that
@HashionDiscord How would that be vague at all? Mara has a throne world, so even more credibility. As early as the Dark Below DLC (1st game, 1st DLC), it is called a higher plane, without many details being existent yet
@HashionDiscord It is a place that lacks substance, is past infinite dimensions, outside space and time, all residents need to be considered "ascendant" (Taken King dlc Regicide mission), or granted power by such a being, and more. That's as outer as it gets, ignoring other features and info
@HashionDiscord The Infinite Forest is just inside Mercury, and the Ascendant Plane is repeatedly called the universes "backstage", like a "stack of coins" by Mara Sov. She also calls it beyond reality. Mara Sov is an incredibly credible information source, especially given her history with Oryx
@HashionDiscord Osmiomany Gloves say it is past space and time in reference to Taking (power), which moves stuff to said plane as part of its function. The only "space" and "time" there is willed in by its inhabitants' will and power in the sword logic, typically with their throne worlds
@HashionDiscord Both the Ascendant Plane and VexNet are similarly beyond such things. Brakion actually manipulating anything gives greater credit than the warp being beyond that (Panoptes to InfForest too). Sure, it's surprisingly higher than many put it, VexNet and Ascendant Plane just outdo it
@HashionDiscord The ascendant plane is beyond everything I have mentioned so far. It works near 1:1 the warp (conscious reflecting, past space and time, inhabitants can have sub parts (throne worlds), and more). The Chaos God's fight each other to do any of this. Also called similar to VexNet