@0x49fa98 Steroids are way more accessible than they used to be, yeah, and use is more widespread than ever, but there are also plenty of crazy physiques that are totally natural.
People really underestimate how big a difference genetics can play with regards to building a nice body.
Japanese is full of homophones like you mentioned, but I feel like they're not leveraged quite the same way as they are in English poetry. Since Japanese has a writing system that completely disambiguates its homophones, poets often play with its specificity more than its ambiguity.
For example, the word "thought" in Japanese is pronounced "omoi" γγγ. This happens to share its pronunciation with the word for "heavy" γγγ (ιγ). But, I don't see poets play with that homophonic ambiguity much.
In Japanese, you almost never simply write "omoi" phonetically, but rather write it with a Chinese character (usually "ζγ", where ζ represents the idea of "thought"). But beyond that, there are a few other options you can choose that offer a bit more nuance:
ζγ standard
ζ³γ rarer, slightly emotional
ζΆγ very rare/literary, feels more nostalgic
Each of these are pronounced "omoi", and all, in essence, are the "same word", but because of the associations each of those Chinese characters have in other words (consideration ζθ; "imagination" ζ³ε; "reminisce" θΏ½ζΆ; etc.), they all bring a slightly different nuance.
@hungry_ghost_@balefulrays just curious to hear your line of thinking (as someone w/ this placement), but what makes you feel like 12th house sun would elicit this response/immunity to ego-death?
You dodged the γγ/μ΄λ¨Έ part, but that's fine. I'm not particularly convinced of a-bi and pi-ko being related either to be frank.
But there's a wealth of perfectly solid cognates to sift through if you take the time to look into it. I'm not going continue this over X.
Some of the greatest living historical linguists of Japanese and Korean support the hypothesis (Bjarke, Whitman, Martin, Unger, to name a few); just because it has not been definitely proven doesn't mean it won't ever be. Those of us who find the evidence collected so far convincing will keep digging, and people like you who push back will help us make sure our arguments are robust!
@ShirokaneChoja@TambovGlasser@vintagemapstore Japanese also has the word βomoβ (ζ―).
μλΉ (the older word for father in Korean) also has a proposed cognate through Old Japanese βpikoβ (彦) (pi + ko).
The point Iβm trying to make is just that itβs an open question and there are decent arguments in favour of a relationship.
I meanβ¦ what I just gave you was a list of words that have a proposed common etymology. I wasnβt talking about grammar at all.
But while weβre on the topic, function word cognates (grammar words) are actually more reliable as evidence of two languagesβ relationship than shared content words (which get borrowed between unrelated languages all the time).
Japanese and Korean have plenty of proposed content word cognates:
μ¬/γγΎ, λ°λ€/γγ, κ³°/γγΎ, λ/γ¨γ, etc.
But it also has proposed function word cognates:
interrogative -κΉ/-γ, plural -λ€/-γγ‘, past tense -γ -/-γ (Old Japanese)